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There can be a mechanical (and corresponding fictional) toggle. That a spellcaster who goes 'nova' can decimate everything in one big explosion, possibly is dazed, loses a healing surge, etc. and then relies on crosbows, etc. because he's effectively burned out his mana for that encounter...

@Crazy Jerome , sorry, there was something else that got under my skin yesterday... I looked around and found various meanings and uses of "simulationist". The 2 articles so far in the Simulationist Manifesto on rpg.net, and the followup comments, don't seem to insist on a purist conception of...

That's fine, I won't force you, but if threads are co-opted by academic game designers/engineers that wax verbosely and densely about Forge GNS theory or whatever it is and argue a lot about hardcore definitions, which for people like me is a hindrance to fun brainstorming, then the thread will...

Core as an intro boxed set or optional starter set or something like that sounds fine. I think once you make it bigger than that, it causes product line confusion. I think the Core could also advertise Lore vs Legends and ask 'which kind adventure you will go?'

If RQ/RM is hardcore simulation of fantasy (say like airplane simulation videogames) then I don't think it's a useful definition for our purpose. I don't think WoTC is trying to capture that market at all. I think most people use simulation to mean "pretend simulation". I think you've defined...

Crazy Jerome , I apologize again, but the explanation is extremely dense. pretend I am a teenager. You are a marketing/sales person or my geek gaming uncle. I am impatient and want to play videogames. What are the differences between the 3 versions?

That's possible. These terms get in the way a lot. Remembering indie/modern/gamist... I thought sandbox was exploratory, flexible, adjusting the rules up and down, that kind of thing. I never saw the box as a defined limit, except box = fantasy story, and not sci-fi, modern, etc. My...

Crazy Jerome considering that a lot of gamers aren't informed about narrativist or simulationist Forge theory, especially newbies, how would you plan the differentiate the 3 product lines, such that all consumers understands why they would want to play Core or Legends or Lore (vs Pathfinder and...

He stated "I don't know if...". He doesn't need to provide evidence to support the fact that he doesn't know. Nitpick revenge :)

No game is necessary for me. There's always family and other hobbies. As for desired... 4E doesn't deliver the playstyle I enjoy most. I find that 3.X/PF is too complicated for me. I find that alternative systems don't have the popularity and don't "stick", players dabble, then go back to D&D or...

Thanks for the clarification, because I was trying to argue that my Lore idea should be sandboxy, and CJ argued it should go to the Core. Also, with my posts about my Lore idea being sandboxy in order to deliver different simulationist according to different groups' tastes, what part of that...

Yes, that's what I found, that the Core is sandboxy. So how is Lore differentiated from PF/3E when the Core is sandboxy, and if Core is sandboxy, what is simulationist Lore that CJ doesn't think will attract RM players and you don't think will attract PF/3E players?

What is this specific sandbox idea? I found CJ's idea of a published Core ruleset that is sandboxy, but I can't find his idea of a Lore edition that is sandboxy.

[Lighbulb!] The portal between the Prime to the Elemental Plane of Water is the contrast, the barrier that cannot be crossed. Thus vampires cannot enter portals into that plane. Let's say they're teleported. If it's truly an instant teleport (I forget the metaphysics), then I think the vampire...

I was just re-reading this. Although some have been hinting at levels being incompatible with a simulationist game, I've avoided thinking about eliminating levels, because I believe I read an article by Mearls that levels was one of the sacred cows of D&D (along with ability scores, etc.) that...

I understand what you mean, and I was attempting to do is my explain my opinion that it changes for me when you open up from a skillset like "combat" to a much broader "adventuring". Like any stereotype, the broader/simpler the abstraction, the more vulnerable to scrutiny. At some point, it...

Body. Mind. Heart. Soul. Although very un-D&Dish, I think they're evocative terms.

I don't disagree with anything you stated. The issue of knowledge may simply sharpen or change the expections of what should be simulated or not.

OK, I think I get it. I wrote before that I thought D&D was stereotyping heroes as being great in combat, but because there was so much combat in D&D, that I didn't think it was an unfair stereotype. Also, one thing that 4E did for me was remind me that wizards aren't weak scrawny mages, they...

Not sure where this came from. I have no opinion for now other to say that there are different perspectives on combat ability throughout all editions. Careful, there is at least one mod with a tendency to nitpick people who make "very confident" assumptions about the market without evidence to...