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4e has flumph, now. On topic: bwahahahahahaha, "a positive discussion"? Hee hee. No, seriously, good on you. I'll be awaiting more of your posts on this topic with interest. tl;dr version of your post, to help prevent flamewar: Going to give 4e another shot. Martial daily powers: "it's all...

[edit: cannot brain today, i have the dumb]

Badger? Naked mole rat?

rocket PUNCH! ... sorry, I couldn't help it

I, on the other hand, have information that you are talking out of your butt.

Practically word-for-word, in fact. Thank you very much, everyone--particularly Echohawk, for his ridiculous bestiary chart. It looks like my initial impressions were correct: The Behir really hasn't ever mattered, but hasn't really ever changed either. The Barghest is damn cool, has evolved...

Title says it all. Working on a project, gotta know some history. I know they were in the 3.5 Monster Manual, but before that? After, if either one got any further mention until the latest 4e material? Didn't the barghest feature somewhere in Planescape?

I should probably make it more clear that, when I use exclamation marks, I'm not being entirely serious.

Woo.

There is no such limitation! Your one scrap of claimed "evidence" was both A) unrelated and B) wrong anyway! When you want to use a daily item power, there are two limitations. 1. You must have at least one daily item power "slot" left. 2. The specific item daily power must not have been used...

That explains why extraplanar fey and shadow creatures extend from the very bottom of level 1 to elites and solos at level 28, I suppose (and we still haven't seen the real powers of the Feywild, like the Summer Queen and her nobles). Why extraplanar elemental beings extend from the very bottom...

Care to elaborate, you lucky, lucky bastard? :uhoh:

That's a dire tiger. Dire animals have giant fangs and spikes (and occasionally even a hint of armor plating), and are usually about half again as large as you might expect an animal of its kind to be. It's a D&D tradition. EDIT: For example, check out the MM1's boars, bears, and wolves--though...

Ayup. They get a +3 from flanking, but I think that's their only racial feature.

Of course they are. And every human guardsman is level 3. Every single one. Even the angelic city of Hestavar's Bright Guard. You wondered how the Obsidian Dagger kept pulling off these horrible crimes in the middle of a divine metropolis ruled by not one but three greater gods? I'll clue you...

Two hours left! I will place my bet on Defender. Dex primary.

...? I thought the monk was supposed to be Martial.

On the other hand, my players have always blown wonderful holes in anything with either swarm traits or vulnerability to fire.

Half of the duergar. And I've reason to believe that even some of that half may be different; note that the Miner--the only duergar minion in Thunderspire--is gone from the MM2, and the Hellcaller is from a different tier than the Thunderspire guys (which is usually verboten, as MM group-entries...

I don't like your point enough to think about it any further (LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING), but I'm pretty sure that when you say something... ...it becomes a thing that you're talking about, whether you want that to be the topic at hand or not.