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Same here. Reading through a pdf is OK, but I want the hard copy version in my hands.

I personally know 3, but I have seen a few others at shops.

Wulf, you are seriously cracking me up today. :D

If that's the case, what's washing over me right now smells awful bad....

Hehehe. Touche. :) Still, I stand by my point that it wasn't anything more than 3rd hand info that requires plenty of salt to swallow and is therefore pretty useless. Ah, the hell with it, I may as well just let the 4E fervor wash over me and carry me away! :D

I guess 4E could end up becoming a game along the lines of Warhammer Quest...

Then you're not to one to blame. Sorry if I came off like a prick or anything along those lines, Eric.

I like the way you think...

Probably so, but if Eric himself is telling us to take it with all the grains of salt news like this requires then it can't be that terribly reliable and is therefore not likely any better than any one of us Joes with few to no "industry contacts" posting the same kind of thing.

Then I have to wonder why even bring it up if it's that type of information? Not trying to be a jerk, but you know how 4E talk raises the hackles of just about everyone around here.

I'm with DaveMage on this. Wait and see, but if what little has been said now is confirmed to be true, I'll stick with 3.X but still buy up any minis releases.

Hybrid all the way.

Best of luck to Monte. You've made D20 my all time favorite system, and your products were always filled with inspiration and were top-notch. I look forward to seeing what's in store for you in the future.

I was never a huge fan of GoO's products. BESM D20 has given me some fun and quirky good-times, though. It's a shame to see a publisher of good product go under. Best of luck to Mark and the rest of the GoO crew.

Well said, Chuck. All in all, it comes down to what you want out of your games. Neither system really PWNS the other. They do similar things in different ways that will appeal to people differently. Trying to prove one system is better than the other doesn't get us anywhere. (Unless we're...

R.I.P. Tetsujin28. You will be missed.

I would like to play more than the once a quater year I do now, but that would mean taking time away from things that are more important right now. I'm recently married as well and I have a job that keeps me away from home alot. We're still trying to get the house organized after being gone...

For Espionage, you can do no wrong with SC2. It's absolutely perfect for that genre.

I prefer D20 Modern over SC2. Sure, SC2 isn't tied so much to the super-spy genre that is can't do anything else, but the game still has that Military/Super-spy game feel from everything from the classes to skills to feats to equipment. It's not nearly as useful to use in a game were people...

I cancelled my account after I met my wife. I went through a link either through the account page or one given via a help search. I never had a problem with getting billed again. I'd say the problem is dealing with their employees. It's tough to get the hard sell when you click the "Cancel...