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:) I don't know if one can interject CP2020 into a discussion about death in D&D - CP2020 practically came with a character sheet with an erasable name for a reason! That and guns. Lots of deadly, beautiful guns.

I think the lesson for all of us is that if you would be respected, you must respect others in turn.

I agree, sounds like bad DMing to make up for bad DMing. Man, I'm going to regret asking this. But how is it any different from fudging you to -9hp? Does the disability serve as some sort of payment or the like for the mitigation? In other words, fudging is more a matter of "getting off...

Another sort of thought flitting in my head is this: Let's say I were gaming with someone like S'mon or Jameson and they were DMing things. Let's say that for whatever reason, I didn't enjoy myself. On the list I'd make of "why", I can't think of any circumstance where "didn't fudge the dice"...

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Possibly not, especially as was discussed that being open to all options doesn't preclude a social contract for a given group to eliminate one of them, given that the contract doesn't automatically apply to a different group or the same group under different circumstances, e.g. a new campaign...

Speed of the plot. In other words, whatever you want/need. In a strange town talking with people, shopping, I may arbitrarily say it takes all day due to their unfamiliarity with the town, but if it's a place they know then maybe a few hours or just an afternoon.

Thanks for the clarification. I see where you're coming from, but IMO, by arguing "Hey, you're both being rigid - one in rigidly no and the other in rigidly open to anything," then it's like you stopped one logical conclusion too short. In other words, an artificial stoppage to artificially...

Thanks, S'mon. I guess I'm still trying to figure out if it's a difference of degree or kind. To me, it sounds like degree, but judging from your response, I take it you think it is a difference of kind?

Ok, but just to clarify - we are talking about an imaginary world in which the players and player-characters aren't fully knowledgeable? I guess I'm trying to understand drawing a line in Schrodinger's Gameworld, when from my perspective, it's just as arbitrary as people who fudge dice rolls...

First, that sounds pretty cool. But let me stop you for a minute, please define "plausible" such that it differs from a lowering of hidden hit points, stats, or rolls of the dice. Thank you.

But in context, isn't there a "right" and "more right" aspect of the two arguments? Or this way, "flexible" and "less flexible".

From the Urban Dictionary: Pedantic: I'm sorry but I don't care how you try to spin the English language to making someone as rigid if they swear to be flexible, it severely fails the smell test. That said, Is essentially "it" - it is stylistic and *that* has no right or wrong, only...

Let me also recommend ICONS - and if you go with ICONS, I can talk to you about my City of Heroes conversion for ICONS that was done as an intro system for some new players (but who knew City). It fits on one or two pages, IIRC.

Thank you for saving me the time of writing that out.

I've never used Golarion in our Pathfinder games; we started out in the Forgotten Realms and are now playing in a homebrew world. With the Pathfinder Beginner's Box, you can attain level 5 and while I doubt there will be any more printed materials released, you can keep up to date on new...

Sorry I can't answer your questions, as I don't play Hero, but Loot has a 1-day sale on 5 Champions supplements ( See what's new at Loot! ). And my understanding of Champions is that it's a setting/genre book - basically Hero is the rule system while Champions would be a specific implementation...

This brings up a question I have for the folks in the never-fudging camp. "Hypothetically, in a circumstance described above (player dealing with personal issue, player just lost the 2nd character quickly through no or little fault of their own) and given that you'll abide by the results of the...

Subterfuge springs to mind. As for the rest, it's something I'd consider, but then, I'm getting increasingly tired of fighting the rules to run a cinematic campaign. I mean, I'm currently thinking of ditching AoOs entirely because among other things, a recent bar fight led into feat spamming...

Were you to have actually read my posts in this thread, I daresay you'll understand how laughable your assertion is. Here's a protip: There's a difference between asserting someone thinks x and asking for clarification if someone thinks x. I welcome you to actually discuss the topic with me...