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/me steps away from this thread IceBear

I wouldn't use that character as a "typical" counter argument to the mage vs fighter thing. I don't know what level he is, but that looks like a lot of equipment there. IceBear

Hehehehehe IceBear

Interesting note from the d20 Modern SRD combat section (which I do feel will be a large part be the 3.5 revision) - standing up DOES provoke an AoO. Edit: Are you sure that standing up doesn't provoke an AoO? I think maybe it's not in the text but it's listed in the chart. It just doesn't...

IME, wizards were always about damaging/killing hordes of weaker monsters while the fighter was better with the one big bad (disregarding save or die spells). Anyway, it's possible that there is an Improved Haste, that Quicken is better, that avoiding fireballs is harder, etc. I'm going to...

Anyone with experience playing a sorcerer want to comment on the Wild Sorcerer from Dragonlance? http://dragonlance.com/fan/rules/display.asp?id=11631 IceBear

Ah, I read your post too fast it seems :) I also thought it a bit much for Monte to be working on Arcana Unearthed and 3.5. Edit: BTW - I was joking in my response to the sky is falling (in case some thought I think the sky is falling) IceBear

Re: Re: Thanks, guys, you've ruined Haste for the rest of us. Could you make it Will instead (so it scales with the Inflict spells)? :D :D IceBear

Yeah, that's the reason for the pet peeve. It's one thing to believe that a rule is broken by reading it. Then when people give reasons why it's not and it's been hashed to death, it's just annoying (to me) when the first person doesn't let it drop. At this point he should say, "Ok, let me...

It's not out yet. It appears that the d20 Modern version will be the new one in 3.5. Look at the news on the front page. The changes to haste are mentioned in there. IceBear

I understand how seeing it for yourself is really the only way to know for sure, and I wasn't advocating blindly ignoring areas of the rules that you think are questionable because of other people's opinions. It's just that some of these questions are subjective and it just turns the thread...

Daniel, You mentioned Monte's name in your post. I knew that Andy and Skip were involved in the revised rules, but I didn't think Monte was. Is he? IceBear

evilbob: You're not offending me. Like I said, I'm cranky :D I guess I have a pet peeve when someone says rule X/class X/spell X is unbalanced (but I've never actually used it) and then when people have actually used it basically states that it's not as bad as it seems on paper their...

Oh I understand that. I was just commenting that the switch in the direction in the complaints was interesting. I tend to keep my campaigns low power so I tend to fall into the first category with my experiences. IceBear

Again, that wicked AC depends quite a bit on good stats. Good stats can overpower lots of classes. The monk can use missle weapons - yes - but they don't get their great attack rate. IceBear

evilbob, I guess I'm a little cranky today, but since you're not taking the word of people that have PLAYED the monk (there's a point where it stops being devil's advocate and just becomes argumentative) and just dismissing their experiences, I'm starting to not see the point of this. That...

I was semi-joking. I believe the 2nd Edition version did double your movement rate too (I could be remembering wrong there though). This one really doesn't "haste" you. It lets you get an extra attack. That's all I was pointing out. I had no problems with the 2nd Edition version not...

As above :) Seriously, the monk player in my campaign thought he was going to rock in combat. He didn't and he was very disappointed. Sure, he could run faster and get into combat before everyone else. That wasn't a good thing :) Using magical monk weapons to overcome DR is fine if he wants...

Maybe the old haste spell will become a 4th or 5th level spell called Improved Haste in the revised books. You're right though. The name of the new Haste doesn't make sense. It should be speed attack or something. I find it so weird that spellcasters are complaining they can't keep up with...

Ok, I wasn't saying that I thought it was bad before, just that for CONSISTENCY purposes, I was ok with it. All it does is make any monster that is resistent to certain attacks follow the same rules. That's what I didn't mind. Understand now? IceBear