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So much here…to start I really want to see the write-ups for the buffoon, demon (class!), valkyrie, and witch.

So just stopping by the thread and completely making stuff up?

I think Dave Arneson and Gary Gygax had many ideas. Some of which actually worked.

It’s kind of all of the above. I am flexible, on both sides of the table. But I don’t let skills be “win” buttons, unless it’s a clear outcome of what the player was trying to do. And if that is unclear, I just ask what exactly they are doing.

I have also seen "class" features picked up through background, race, and subclass--that can work well. Multi-classing might let you do things you can't otherwise, but it almost never seems to be a powerup in practice.

Yes paladin/hexblade. A lot of warlock multiclassing. Some fighter multiclassing, but not those listed above.

Also there--shotguns and broadswords--in space! And the coveted 5 ton computer.

This is great stuff. And death through character generation--via service or aging related disease--is there!

That other playtest has energy, jumping all over the place, including backwards. ToV has style. One might make me say “wow”, but for ToV I am much more likely to think “that is cool”. Because it has style.

Oh and flex vancian casting—-echoes of mentzer basic there, except the flex part.

It’s jumpy, this way, that way, another way… but it is not yet minimal. And some of this will stick.

On the other other hand, they have dropped class groups, wildshape templates, paladin and ranger cantrips, ranged paladins,and more. This revision remains a moving target.

I sympathized with this thread title, and made a joking post about it in another one. But no matter how sad Crawford may have seemed in that one video, he was sitting on some BIG stuff. Bards picking their spell list are cunning strike were very big, and many other changes were not small. I...

I started to write this big long reply on sameiness in D&D casting--5e is the most diverse, 3e comes close, pre 3e only difference was the spellbook. But there has always been a lot of similarity. As for clerics and druids, they have always worked the same way spellwise. Slightly different...

To clarify: Yes, a rogue can do cunning strike at range, apparently with all the options (even parry). The 13th level arcane trickster can sneak attack 1 target, then use mage hand to try to disarm or trip a second target. Both can be some distance from the trickster.

A flex class with charisma, and can flex away from support. I can see a lot being done with them, though I wonder if other classes can't do those things better, if not as charismatically.

All three subclasses have a lot going on. And metal armor, or be a a druid-magician!

Overall it feels pretty good. Almost like a corner has been turned. But they still have to repair the Warlock.

New rogue strikes are something. May not be worth the the trouble for all rogue players, but they open up a lot tactical options.

Weapon mastery did replace paladin and ranger cantrips! 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024……