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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Not necessarily. The battlemaster’s Menacing Attack is a non-supernatural effect that imposes the frightened condition.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Should a general Adventurer class be created to represent the Everyman?

    Of those examples, only the Jedi got in nearly as many life-threatening combats as the average D&D party. And as others have pointed out, super-special space magus doesn’t exactly scream everyman. I mean, the actual everyman in Star Wars is pretty clearly Han.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Should a general Adventurer class be created to represent the Everyman?

    I think we are talking about more than 1 genre here, and that is causing confusion. When I think of the everyman, I’m thinking of a character who doesn’t fight at all. He supports the party in other ways, knowledge, heart, skills, etc. If that character got involved in battle, or was revealed...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Should a general Adventurer class be created to represent the Everyman?

    The challenge with this formulation is that it often doesn’t make the character seem like an everyman. On the contrary, it highlights how abnormal and special he is. If I were to traverse a battlefield unarmed and unarmored and not get hit, you wouldn’t conclude that I’m a normal dude. You...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The specific example was the players not biting ONE campaign hook. In a sandbox, that SHOULD be unremarkable. Why are you acting like it means that « the DM should always try to please every single player even if it means the DM and the other players are less happy with the game »?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, combat is a more complex part of the game because it has more rules.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    As does Forbidden Lands, I recall.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    My players would probably accept it, depends on the game.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Pasion de las pasiones has a couple of mechanics like this, but its inspiration is telemovelas, so romance is part of the package.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    There’s a big difference between Jim (or Jane) puts themself into danger every day and Jim (or Jane) has never had an involuntary reaction to fear. IF you are making an appeal to realism, the more realistic stance is that there are times when the character will have an involuntary reaction to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And if you roll a 1 on your Climb check, that is what happens. But most cases, it seems to me that a character that is trained in Climbing has a pretty good idea of how difficult a climb is.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It is a good point about freely sharing information. I’m running « Beyond the Crystal Cave » - a fun module that I’ve run several times in the past. The inciting incident is a tribe of elves on the brink of war with a town of human. The elves believe that the humans kidnapped an elf and the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I can live with that. The principal reason I proposed GM-curated rather than GM-created was because I thought peoponants of the style would object to the term « GM-created »!
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don’t think the players think they are being objective or would make claims to that effect.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It’s also more than that. It provides a framework to investigate whether people are OK with pushing certain boundaries in a game. In the past, I would not include child death in my games because most of my players are parents. This provides a tool to check if in a horror game, the players...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I mean, it feels like you are being deliberately obtuse here. Let me illustrate with a different example. I like historical fiction, you like fantasy fiction. If I were to describe my preferred literature as « literature where the characters act like real people », you would reasonably push...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You were the person that brought up « character-centric » approach to characterize the perspective you disagreed with, while labelling the perspective you agreed with as the « internally consistent » approach. My point is that labelling your preferred approach « the internally consistent »...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If your intention is not to be condescending would in not be more accurate to ground the descriptions based on what makes them distinct rather than points they share? As I already responded, making a consistent world is important for all GMs. I agree that « character-centric » is an accurate...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I’m simply pointing out the inherent contradiction that you seem to be willing to accept fantasy realism in one case but not in the other. Maybe they are under a fey geas that requires them to drink alcohol with the first person they see. That seems on brand for fey.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Let me express this differently: If a certain outcome enhanced a character’s narrative but flat out contradicted a fact that had been established in play, do you believe that the proponents of character-centric play would discard the fact? I can’t speak for everyone, but definitely in my case...
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