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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    Yes I think most do and as an example I posted something from what is probably the most commonly played 5E adventure which has over 1100 gold peices in one dungeon that represents part of level 2 and I did not include any of the magical loot from the dungeon in that in that number.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Bastions in organised play? Can they work?

    We are playing with them in one campaign. They are really effective for powergamers and substantially increase the power of a PC if they have downtime. Generally not a fan though.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Should a general Adventurer class be created to represent the Everyman?

    I usually multiclass my characters. The narrative is always there, but sometimes it bends conventional class paradigms. For example I had a Vampir Long Death Monk-Death Cleric, but she didn't really have a God .... well she had someone she called her God that she didn't really worship and that...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    Ok I believe you are wrong and I have yet to see any common generalizations that "more often than not" held true across multiple levels in a campaign. Your premise is based on the idea the PC is weaker in ranged combat and therefore should close. A GWM-PAM does not have good ranged options...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    There are 2 factors that make it more important: 1. Lower Variance on winning and losing initiative - in 2014 you had enemies and allies rolling initiative. Whether or not you went before an enemy was based mostly on two d20 rolls - yours and the enemies. In 2014 monsters have fixed...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    Initiative is much more important in 2024 than it was in 2014. It is enough that the standard 8 Dexterity heavy weapon build is not viable any more without you or multiple other people in the party having alert.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    In the game I DM I just flat banned viscous weapons after witnessing what happened in my first 2024 campaign as a player. They still aren't banned in any of the games I am a player in though. To be clear, it is very campaign dependant what we can buy in terms of magic items. In a majority of...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    Again please read what I posted. THE RULES limited rings of resistance to three (thee attunements) in the 2014 rules. In the 2024 rules the DM in one of the game houseruled 2 rings maximum because the rules changed. This was at 20th level. According to the DMG a party should get about 100...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    No I mean what I said. When talking about classes and damage I think it is difficult to come up with a generalization that applies "more often than not" in a one-shot and I think it is impossible in a campaign that covers multiple levels. If you laid down specific assumptions you could perhaps...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    It depends, not usually. Sometimes (not often) they get more though. The point was this is part of level 2 in a published adventure that has over 1000gp in loot plus magic items on top of that. Those magic items include potions of healing, I am guessing 5 from memory .... for part of your...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    No you are ignoring what I am telling you about the games I am actually playing in. You are not playing in those games and to be clear that is only 3 games out of 5 I am playing in right now that we level up that fast and we are playing 4 hour sessions. The games I am playing in are not "more...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    Absolutely, but at 50gp each (or less if you make them) it is pretty easy to do. I would also say Potions of Healing are mundane gear. They are "common" and listed in the PHB under adventuring gear, along with things like Rope and caltrops etc.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    I think it is very difficult to come up with a generalization that holds up in play consistently in a one shot. I think it is impossible in a campaign that covers multiple levels with all sorts of random magic on hand that greatly skews this. I agree on making a tankier caster, but the part...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    As I said, with the exception of LOE they are not one-shots and they are not played each session like a one-shot. You are NOT describing my experience or how I play. I will say it again: I am not playing a series of one shots, not in the way they are published and not in how we play them. It...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    According to the DMG towns should "often" have common magic items available for sale. to be clear 1500gp at level 5 (not level 2) and the cost of Plate is what I am using to baseline that as most PCs that wear heavy armor are in plate by level 5. For people saying it is rare for PCs to have...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    They are not one-shots. They are all campaings published by WOTC or another 3p publisher, in some cases converted older material. Here is the list of 1-20 campaigns I have played end-to-end in the last two years, with the xception of the 1E conversion all of these are 5E published campaigns...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    The example I cited is extreme, as I noted in my post. But it is not uncommon at all for a martial to outdamage a caster consistently in play. CAN or DO? Can yes. Any class CAN outdamage another. In play do not think full casters routinely, consistently outdamage sword and board PCs in...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    What rules? Can you cite that? As an example, the Redbrand hideout in Lost Mine of Phandelver has 1151gp of loot in it, NOT counting magic items. Additionally it has probably around 5 potions of healing in that hideout alone. You are typically doing that hideout at level 2. Like I said if...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    $1500 per character, yes. That is what 30 potions of healing cost. Easily.
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    D&D 5E (2024) Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?

    Yes, any character "can" outdamage any other character in play. This is part of the problem with these type threads, they way oversimplify things and don't take into account numerous variable in actual play. In an extreme example of this, a sword and board Wizard with an 8 strength, no...
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