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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I don't know if there's a perfect system. I've spent lots of time and money trying to find it. More than likely it's going to take me getting my hands dirty and curating the experience with some GM skills I haven't used in 20 years. Honestly, I've been trying to find an out of the box solution...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I've been curious about T&T for a while, but have never had luck finding it. If I do get it, I'll try selling it to my group by saying, "It's TNT, it's ... dynomite."
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I guess the same should be said about me, in reverse? I should be happy running whatever the group wants to play, maybe? I just got so burned out for the rules heavy stuff, running it weekly, and now starting my master's program. I just wanted to do something easier on me.
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Maybe. And maybe I can add house rules to do "quick combats" for the boring ones, because most APs run a little long for my taste. I just can't find any more official 5e stuff that I haven't already run that interests me. I could convert from other systems, write my own, or dig through the muck...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Yeah, I addressed that back on page 3. It's mostly the power-based design that made me think "it's crossing just a bit too much into that 4E territory we just left." https://www.enworld.org/threads/how-dragonbane-pointed-out-the-clashing-desires-of-my-gaming-group.706571/post-9453545
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Yeah. I understand that. We just had close to a year of disconnected, arena-style combats that required no work from them. One of the other players and I (half the group) wanted a change of pace. (This other player, by the way, was excited to do the inventory management and roleplaying for the...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I do think I need to see what happens after the second session, after they know what to expect. If they have the same complaints and want to jettison the system, we can have a different conversation of what to do afterwards. It's always fun to run into people from other communities. I have a...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    So your partner is normally the player but doesn't normally play RPGs at all, then had a lot of fun running the quickstart adventure? If I got that correct, I have hope in my abilities to run it. :)
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    They do not put in the work to understand complex games or their characters' abilities within them. Perhaps it would be different with an actively supported system like PF2 as opposed to 4E - where they can read on Archives of Nethys, use Pathbuilder, etc. It's just - my lord it's complex...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    They have shot down the D&D-adjacent board game suggestions I've made, including HeroQuest, Descent, Gloomhaven, etc. I don't really play CRPGs, but my wife has enjoyed Baldur's Gate without me. They can go on raids together if they want.
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I am just having nightmares trying to explain to them Multiple Attack Penalty, Agile Trait, the Dying mechanics, the 3-Action economy, and building a 1st level character when they struggled to understand the difference between Encounter and Daily powers in 4E and then thought it was unfair that...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I've never played WoW (or any other MMORPG). I don't really do computer gaming. My extent is old school video game consoles like the NES/SNES and Sega Genesis. But Fabula Ultima, yeah, I've thought about it. I have the Core Book, Press Start, and High Fantasy. (I'd like to get ahold of...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I do have Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne available as Savage Pathfinder campaigns. That could be a good alternative. Tracking down those old Dungeon magazines (legally) and converting them is a process I wouldn't look forward to doing. Especially if the group is so...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    I'm seeing a lot of great ideas. I'll try to comment on everything I've considered. I have built some good community with folks online, here and elsewhere. I have a weekly online group that does get along pretty well. Also a Discord community that I'd love to try to game with. I just don't have...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Yeah. They might prefer a "roller-coaster" (as opposed to a "railroad") type of pre-scripted adventure. They said "no." I asked if they would prefer just to play a boardgame, but they said "no, we want RPGs." Lord help me if I can figure out what kind of RPG they would like to play. Yeah, it...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Yes. I have run a couple campaigns of 13th Age for other groups in the past, and it was on my short list (along with Dragonbane). The reason I didn't pick it this time is its similarity to 4E structurally, which I thought would be confusing having just finished that campaign recently. The one...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    It's the old issue of when people describe buzzwords or what they think you want to hear. "Deep, tactical play." "Extravagant character customization." "Mysterious political machinations." "Rich tapestry of world building." "Moving roleplaying experiences." Yet, their characters are named...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Oh ... dear lord. Has it come to that? But the few issues we have... We're now down to three players, so traditional D&D class-based RPGs aren't going to work the best. It's probably just as crunchy as 4E, and they can't be bothered to learn the games we play. They're gonna get slaughtered...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    But, you know, they didn't seem to like a lot of that, either. Maybe if it was more like the Lair Assault program? Just have an exciting fight and then come back next week for another encounter. Like, they wouldn't interact with roleplaying in 4e. Or rituals. Or making magic item wishlists. Or...
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    How Dragonbane Pointed out the Clashing Desires of My Gaming Group

    Oh no! That's the one system I've sworn I'd never run again. Not even for a hearty handshake and a "job well done."
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