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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Mrs. Fezziwig has my sympathy. “Expensive” might actually be the more honest word some days. You're right about the reality on the ground, D&D, retroclones, PbtA, and a few others dominate shelf space and con slots. But that’s a reflection of the old economy, where distribution channels had...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Your analysis focuses on degrees of sandbox, but this kind of quantification, “more kinds of agency = more sandbox”, is a fallacy. It treats sandbox play as if it’s about turning up the volume or increasing the number of inputs players have, like it’s a matter of dialing in maximum agency. But...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What you wrote before and after that is appreciated. But the quote above illustrates why there’s strong pushback from myself and others in this thread. The different variations of agency serve different creative goals. They promote different kinds of change, and they rely on different...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I appreciate the clarification, and I get your Wynton Marsalis example. In the 21st century, that kind of fandom pressure just doesn’t matter. Anyone who wants to build something, sandbox, narrative, shared authority, whatever, can do it at a professional level in the time they have for a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What you are both engaging in is not neutral analysis but rhetorical sleight of hand. When you frame sandbox campaigns, particularly those rooted in traditional procedures, as “vehicles for GM prep,” and then position that as ideologically suspect, you are not offering critique; you are...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes. You are a making a general claim
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That is correct I use a system of rules to adjudicate specific actions the players do as their characters in my living world sandbox campaigns. I don't use it a game with objectives, or victory experience. Experience is earned as a result of the players role-playing their characters and...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I’ve seen this too. While we may disagree on how often it occurs, I agree it does happen. Having been involved in organized gaming and talked with others, your experience makes sense. But applying that experience to a specific referee or conversation commits an ecological fallacy. Just because...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Speaking as someone who has successfully defied authority on multiple occasions, I can say: not every situation where someone is in charge is about 'defying the man.' Sometimes leadership is just that, leadership. And frankly, adopting defiance as a default attitude is a dead end. It rests on...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The way I account for this is something I’ve observed in how people go about their day: there’s always a lot going on around them, but they only focus on a handful of things at a time. I start by developing the Initial Context before the campaign begins. I work with each player individually to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The social pressure you mention often reflects expectations around leadership and good sportsmanship, principles that are broadly understood and widely applicable, both in and out of games. When practiced in good faith, these principles can resolve most of the interpersonal issues raised in this...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Thank You, and noted. I didn't see your post when I wrote the post previous to this.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Thinking it might be back further, I did a thread search using the phrase. The only post where that phrase appears is your reply to me. https://www.enworld.org/search/3937443/?q=All+RPG%27S+MUST+have+combat+rules+that+are+more+complex&t=post&o=date Perhaps your frustration with these...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I went back up the chain of posts through six exchanges, and did not see that quote. It would be helpful to cite the quote in question. Like I said before, I went up the chain of posts and did not see that statement. So I responded to what I did see. Which was So, breaking that down...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The designer should have a creative vision of what they are trying to do. And view any feedback in that light. If you are writing a weird horror RPG, feedback from folks who dislike weird horror probably won't be relevant. But feedback from fans probably will be worth looking into.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Or they enjoy it. It not meant to be a rational choice, at the end of the day tabletop roleplaying is something enjoyable we do with our hobby time. What counted as enjoyable varies. And my opinion is that if somebody were to do a study of this, they would find the preference would fall along a...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    The writing and the maps are done, right now I'm working on the Kickstarter setup. Thanks for the shout out.
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