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Let’s be clear: I wasn’t asking you to use language I approve of. I asked what you would prefer I use to refer to your position, so I could describe it accurately in discussion. That’s a straightforward request, not a rhetorical trap. You’ve criticized how others label your approach, so if you...

The exception in my mind is figuring out what techniques work the best with your creative goals. That can be a good topic for discussion. That said, these conversations often get derailed by a few recurring issues: Emotional overinvestment in one's preferred style Reframing everything in...

Don't be disingenuous. I asked what you would prefer me and others to use when referring to your idea of collaborative creation to reflect your view accurately. If that were what I was asking you to do, that would be a relevant point of discussion. But that is not the case because you haven't...

So Lord Acton’s famous dictum: “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” is a powerful quote but it's being misapplied in the context of tabletop RPGs and the role of the referee. Authority can be abused. But we are discussing a form of small group interactions, the...

I've read Principia Apocrypha, and while it shares some elements with my own Living World Sandbox campaigns, there are important differences in emphasis and approach. Both value impartial refereeing, meaningful player choices, and emergent outcomes. But where Principia focuses on player...

I hear you that you have enough ways to get your point across in the moment. But for those of us trying to refer to your position later, or to distinguish it in broader discussions, we don’t have a clear label to work with. That’s where the problem comes in. When I or others refer to what...

You have a specific type of creative collaboration in mind, so I think it makes sense for you to create a term that best serves your goals. After all, we’re discussing your creative approach and its nuances.

Not sure how to put this but I had this covered for a while, but I do appreciate the suggestion. How to Manage a Sandbox Campaign, the pre-game Later, I call this the Initial Context. The term pre-game comes from the campaign section of the 1983 edition of Harn I haven't written a book...

I thought creative collaboration (inspired by something @hawkeyefan said) that I used in my reply to him worked out well. It is terse and is self-explanatory as an overview and open to variation as to how the creative collaboration is achieved, whether it focuses on shared fiction or creating...

Yup I touched on that as well with I think @Hussar. A lot of the comments here make sense if you know their stance on that issue.

(y)(y) So what this tells me that I should have a section that presents how my original notes were. Well maybe not the original original because it have a terse way of making notes that not usable for sharing. But anyway, my original notes were pretty much what you describe, a list of...

So first off, I appreciate the effort you put into offering a full explanation in this post and others. I’ll be happy to discuss the other points you raised later today, but I want to touch on this part first because I think it highlights why our approaches differ. From this and your previous...

Before I reply, can you clarify what it is you mean by thematically relevant? It might explain the difference between our viewpoints. Also, and this isn’t a challenge or anything like that, did you read the PDF I attached? I’d like to know whether you felt I covered NPC priorities adequately...

Thanks! However, I still don't see the implications behind the GM’s ideas being in the foreground. Is the same implication in the other post where you said "There’s nothing that speaks to what the players want out of play.”? Along with the other comment “It seems like a menu of GM options and...

If I understand correctly, there are two main points you are making. “There’s nothing that speaks to what the players want out of play.” “It seems like a menu of GM options and the players get to choose from it." I’ll start with the second. Yes, it does resemble a menu of options—one created...

Thanks. This is helpful, it brings together many of the elements you've mentioned across the thread. I see how you're linking referee setup, goals, obstacles, consequences, with a broader ideas of running a campaign. What’s not yet clear to me is what you see as the implication of that. What...

Why do you feel it isn’t as player-driven as claimed? You mentioned it sounds like a series of old-school adventure modules, could you expand on what you mean by that, and how it connects to your view of player agency? I’m asking because I think if we dig deeper here, we might find the specific...

What is the implication of this from your point of view? I traced back your conversation @mamba and I did not a get a sense of why you considered this an issue. If you’ve already explained this earlier in the thread, would you mind pasting it here? It would really help clarify things for...