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Cool. So for me, the parameters I think of are things like, 'The lore says Dwarves are hardy, and Orcs are strong.' I guess for some other people, the more important parameter is, 'Players should be able to play whatever they want.' We all have to pick what the acceptable parameters are for...

It's not the same people -- at least not always. I am for assigned racial ASIs but against strength penalties for women. Why? There is of course the consideration that women have historically been marginalized and disadvantaged, so we don't want to perpetuate stereotypes or further marginalize...

I actually wouldn't mind someone playing a Klingon Jedi.. so long as he got a strength bonus :) For the record I agree that enabling character choice should be an important factor. I just wouldn't always make it primus pilus. It doesn't trump the suspension of disbelief for me, or respecting...

I though what was most important was enabling character choice? I want to play my unique character concept of a T-Rex right now. And my friend wants to play a human 'stronger than any T-Rex' at level 1. Why are you oppressing us by not allowing us to play ridiculous character concepts?

Well then thank god a Goliath isn't a human with giantism, but instead a creature that naturally carries around 300lbs of weight with little effort. So now we can recognize why your analogy is not apt. Are you serious? So by that reasoning a child of 50 lbs will have a tougher time pushing an...

Edit: double post.

Shh.... the anti-ASI people might use that to argue that Humans should get more strength bonuses than T-rexes, if only their players come up with the character concept of playing a 'human stronger than any T-Rex' at first level.

You don't think Tolkien actually meant to say that Golfimbul's head really flew through the air that far though, right? Tolkien even gives a hint by introducing the quote with 'According to a legend'. And he ultimately adds that this was how golf was invented. You don't perceive any humor...

That's not really the question though, is it? How much stronger would Wadlow have been if he had trained as much as Baccianini? It wouldn't be a contest. You can try to justify it with strained arguments, but I've never heard of a chimp who was stronger than a bull. Relative strength is not...

I'm not saying that the +2 should be the only difference. There are of course racial abilities that further address the issue. But +2 might be the most you can get away with to still have viable Halflings in a Role Playing Game. You have to balance the gamism with the simulationism here. I...

My apologies then -- I misunderstood the post. Mea culpa.

The differences in average strength between real-life humans are going to be minuscule. This is one of the reasons the concept of race is so problematic when applied to real-world peoples. Yes, the Spartans did practice a primitive form of eugenics (inspection and infanticide) to their children...

Remember too in making any real-world comparisons that we are all comparing with a single species (humans). Even within that, size matters immensely. This is the reason combat sports have weight categories. The difference between a Heavyweight and a Flyweight is only 100 lbs, but that is an...

I think we can move on and continue the discussion. I've just read up about the number and I see that some racist groups actually do use it as a symbol of their ideologies, so I can actually see now why someone might get a bit uncomfortable seeing it in my username. The point has been taken, and...

If you're finishing making insinuations, then yes, this will be the last I say on that issue.

Are you finished now?

But I won't, and I don't, so I'd ask that you please stop accusing me of being a racist. It is well known that Tolkien was not a racist, and actually stood up to racism. I've specifically denounced it now as well, as soon as I was informed of the significance of the numbers. I hope we can move on.

I've never heard anything like this before. I've been using this username for a while; no one ever said anything remotely like that to me. 8 has been my favorite number since I was 8 years old (it was a good year), so whenever I have to type a number I type 8 or 88. And when I signed up for the...

You serious? Tolkien was strongly opposed to Nazism and antisemitism in all its forms. Surely you know that? I'll send you the famous letter he wrote making that abundantly clear. And having 8 as your favorite number does not make you a Nazi. I can't believe I have to say that.

Nice. Ok, you got me on that one. But seriously, if my class concept is 'My class concept is to play x race, but its going to have better stats than that race has, with no downsides', then honestly, the best thing is just to say, 'Sorry, you'll have choose something else.' If you want to play...