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That wasn't me. Never played Burning Wheel. Sorry.

Wow. When I said this, I was pilloried for saying that you need to do massive amounts of legwork in order to actually have a sandbox. Yet, you say exactly the same thing, and no one bats an eye. I mean, you are flat out saying that unless you've done all this legwork, it's not really a...

Again, though, that's great to say but, when the rubber meets the road, system matters. Say your group has chosen to enter the "Simple Dungeon of 6 encounters". Bog standard dungeon crawl. It's nicely non-linear - multiple paths are possible and there is no "end goal" other than whatever the...

Sigh. One more time. My controversial statement is that, in play, there is less difference between a sandbox and linear play than people like to admit.

I gotta admit though, this back and forth does nicely illustrate why it's so exhausting discussing with D&D fans. The merest suggestion that D&D isn't the perfect system for all things means that we hate the game and think D&D is terrible. Again, apparently the controversial statement that I...

And here we go again. I make a statement, back that statement up with facts, and the counter argument is "nuh uh". I never said that having the GM stat things up doesn't make it a sandbox. I said that forcing the DM to spend gobs of hours and do all the work means that it's more difficult to...

Oh absolutely. I did mention that my other group hated the system. They wanted to explore the setting that was already created and had zero interest in building the setting collaboratively. So, sure, I get that not everyone is going to like something like Ironsworn. I saw that in action...

Oh, absolutely. Please, don't think I was predicting the end of Doctor Who. I have no idea where I heard that they were rebooting the series. I must have totally imagined it. My bad.

That's actually almost never true. While most novels do credit a sole author, there are a host of editors and other people who have an enormous impact on that novel long before it hits the shelf. A novel is a team product. There are virtually no novels out there, with some very rare...

Let me put it this way. A lone GM working on a setting spends X number of hours writing, creating, doing worldbuilding. Every hour is 1 man hour of work. A group playing something like Ironsworn (or one of the many, many other games like this) has four or five people sitting around a table...

All you are doing is demonstrating your ignorance of other systems. Depth of world and world building occurs IN PLAY. It is created by the entire group. The interactions of the players between each other and the NPC's create the world. That's the whole point of (sorry for the Forgism)...

I'd rather enjoy seeing something like that. And, perhaps if you would refrain from restating other arguments, it might be easier? After all, no one here is claiming you aren't playing in a sandbox. About the strongest thing that has been claimed is that D&D isn't a particularly good system...

Is there a reason you cannot do Bastion stuff on DM's Guild? Or am I missing something?

Kinda sorta. I mean, I ran the World's Largest Dungeon some years ago. That's about as sandboxy as you can get. You start in room A1 and there are about ten thousand rooms to explore (possibly more, I never actually counted) and there isn't much in the way of any sort of over arching plot...

Well, I do agree that the prequel trilogy is a tragedy of epic proportions... So much wasted time. So much atrociously bad writing. So many wasted opportunities. Yup, I'll agree that it's a tragedy.

That would be my personal version of hell as a player or a DM. Play in one setting? No thank you. The world of fantasy is far, far to large to play in one setting. Lessee, since 5e released I've played or DM'd: Dragonlance Forgotten Realms - Storm King's Thunder, Candlekeep Mysteries...

None. That's the point. Sometimes campaigns are linear. Sometimes they are not. But, this claim that "sandboxes allow players to do whatever they want" tends to get overblown. And, frankly, the difference between a linear AP and a sandbox is a lot less than people want to admit. To me, the...

No, see, any world that doesn't have a three hundred page setting bible apparently isn't broad or deep. DM's, in order to run a "real" sandbox, must develop an entire world from scratch or it doesn't really count, unless, of course, you buy a pre-made world from someone. I gotta admit, I...

Wow, we're now back to relitigating 4e edition warring? And folks think I'm stubborn. O.O

https://tomkinpress.com/ It's free and honestly, the rules are so short it doesn't really need quickstart rules. I do highly recommend it. But, to be perfectly fair, my other group bounced off it hard. They wanted more traditional style gaming where they play twenty questions with the DM in...