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To be fair though, in a world where Giant Fire Beetles can provide heatless light for 1-6 days, the idea of a belt lantern gets a lot more plausible. What I don't understand is why we don't see far, FAR more fire beetles being used in settings and adventures. They're beetles, like, really hard...

This kind of thing is going to be absolutely crushing to the hobby. This is going to have ripples for years.

Of course it doesn't. D&D never does because, as we've established, D&D isn't a simulation game. The mechanics are always divorced from the narrative. You could choose to narrate this effect any way that the table finds acceptable and that's groovy. The mechanics couldn't care less. So...

Sorry. I’m doing the same typically and dipping in every several pages. I really have to stop replying to stuff as I read it. Sorry.

Well no. They don’t tell you anything because DnD is in no ways a sim game. And longsword isn’t vex. Vex grants you advantage. Long words grant disadvantage to the opponent’s next attack but I forget what that’s called. But in any case, it’s a non-magical effect that has narrative implications.

You could try all you want but it will always fail.

This is very much a misreading and misunderstanding of how social mechanics work. In exactly the same way that social mechanics cannot override an Npc’s established character you cannot override a pcs character.

Well at least the argument became more clear. This is what I was suggesting all the way along. Which kinda explains my confusion over your opposition.

Well, if nothing else, we seem to be containing our nonsense to a single thread which is nice.

Nothing you’ve quoted here contradicts anything I’ve said. It fully supports my point.

Why would you not just have a quiet word with the DM if the DM is making you do something you absolutely couldn't see your character doing? But, for me, things in your head that haven't come out at the table don't exist. If you have some secret knowledge of your character that you haven't...

Heh. How to say you only play D&D without saying you only play D&D. ((Sorry, that might be more snarky than it's meant. It is meant as a gentle ribbing)) There are tons of systems out there that disagree with you. FATE being an easy example. There are all sorts of mechanics in Fate, the...

Gotta admit, this is a new one to me. I've never had a player even suggest this one. Yeah, no. Lantern on belt is a no-no. It just wouldn't work.

No. That's what YOU are insisting we talk about. No one else is talking about this. I presume that this is something that has been established in the game? The DM is aware that your character will never lie? So why would the DM, knowing this, allow a persuasion check to counter this? We...

But, you've got this backward. The DM has had the NPC try to persuade the PC to do something and is rolling for the NPC. It's not that the PC failed any check. The NPC succeeded. Had the NPC failed the check, then the PC would not be persuaded. But the dice and mechanics have said that the...

Again, you never allow players to persuade an NPC to do something they would never do, so, why are you allowing an NPC to do it? If the NPC tries to persuade the character to do something the character would never do, it's treated exactly the same way as the player trying to do that to an NPC...

That is flat out untrue. Since the check will not make the PC do something that the character would never do, your "no agency at all" is flat out wrong. The player, in good faith, acts as if the result is true. No different than the player role playing falling down from failing a climb check...

From my personal point of view, the reason for this is pacing. I want my games to have a MUCH higher pace than you do. We've had enough discussions over the year to know that this is true. I have zero interest in delaying the players just to satisfy my own need for them to play 20 questions...

But, you just got through saying that adding mechanical heft to this is impossible since players cannot be trusted to act in good faith, but, lacking any mechanical heft is fine because players will act in good faith. 🤷

Again though, let's not get too far into the weeds. We're not talking about "ways". We're talking about a single way. Same as a social check with an NPC. You don't allow a persuasion check to force an NPC to do something that the NPC would never do. So, why would it be any different for a...