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So, if the PC's didn't go to that exact location, that random encounter would not happen?

But, if the party was a couple of miles east, then they would still be in the forest but not at that location. So, still quantum. Note, you admit it yourself - AREA. The encounter occurs because of a completely arbitrary roll on a completely arbitrary table and occurs at whatever location the...

Now, can you please explain to me what the explicit connection is between the PC's happening to be at a particular location at 6 PM and those randomly generated monsters appearing at that particular location? To me, it rather seems that there is no explicit connection. Any randomly generated...

So those trolls might be at any location the party happens to be at a particular time. But they’re not quantum? Right.

Hang on a tick. How can you roll random events beforehand? What triggers the events? How can you know how long the party will spend on a particular task in order to have time based random events? Or are the events location based - in which case they are 100% quantum. The event only occurs...

I mean, let's be honest here. Virtually no company has succeeded on solely RPG products. TSR made a very large amount of it's money on the novel lines. WotC is fueled by Magic money and D&D was, until quite recently, an afterthought. GW is very much not an "RPG" company. So on and so forth...

Then I am simply jumping off your point. This whole notion of "quantum" encounter is just more smoke and mirrors trying to pretend that a particular methodology is somehow distinct from others when it isn't. As shown by: Sorry, but, in what way is improv =/= to quantum? After all, in...

I disagree. When you have more time to think, you can make encounters that better reflect your interpretation of the world. But, at no point is this not 100% subject to your biases and understanding. And, as you say, even then, the DM will need to interpret these random events in the context...

Except that the only actual difference here is time. After all, the DM either made or chose (in the case of using someone else's) the random table that is used. The events generated by the random table have absolutely nothing to do with player choices, other than perhaps initiating which...

And, most often, they aren'T outside your level range. And, in cases where they are, there is almost a guaranteed exit possiblity. Either the massively overpowering encounter will "just talk" in which case, level isn't important, or, the baddie won't chase if you run away. On and on and on...

LOL. No. I haven't looked at every single sandbox ever made. That's true. Just every single one that's been brought up as an example in this thread. 🤷 Show me a sandbox for D&D where the level of the characters is not built into the sandbox.

Heh. I did play Everquest for a very short while many, many years ago. But, I do recall dying a HELL of a lot, even in the "easy" areas. But, again, this is the way this thread has always gone. Sandboxing is this elusive target that exists in a quantum state of design where it can be all...

Except that you're the DM. Contriving any sort of connection as to why the NPC knows something is ludicrously easy. And, you can simply rely back on the old saw of "it's a logical consequence" and be magically right every time. It's simple. The DM is the one eyed man in the land of the...

Except that even in that city, there is zero chance that the PC's are going to meet that CR 20+ stuff because the DM will signpost it so clearly. Granted, we might have players that are that deliberately suicidal, but, generally speaking, no they aren't. So, even if that stuff exists in your...

Not quite. D&D worlds and sandboxes will be designed in such a way that the challenges in a given area will be geared for a certain level range. So this forest is for levels 1-4. That canyon is for levels 3-5. That mountain is for levels 14+. So on and so forth. In play, the DM will...

Except, of course, every single one actually does... 🤷

That's convenient. Of course that has nothing to do with how D&D is set up at all... :erm: We can easily justify anything when we are in 100% control of every single facet of a setting. The fact that you just happen to line up with the level system every single time is, I'm sure, just a...

But... but... I thought that there was absolutely no story telling in Sandbox games. Especially no story telling by the DM. How can you enjoy something that has been repeatedly denied to exist?

I remember this one. It's cool to see the old issues from my childhood popping up. I think I actually tried to make the wagon IIRC. One of the mail reasons I never turned to modeling. I was absolutely crap at this sort of thing. All thumbs and frustration.

This is more in keeping with my conversation with @robertsconley. I agree with you to be honest. My sandboxes work pretty much the same way for the simple reason of that's how D&D works. He completely denies that the D&D system has any impact whatsoever on his design of a sandbox campaign...