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For some weird reason, IIRC Monks had the fastest progression...with a limited selection to choose from...and open hand attacks anyways...

And proficiency in Longsword and Broadsword were two completely different things!

Free speech, cancel culture, snowflakiness, etc. also fit that bill. Some of the most ardent whiners of "cancel culture" and "weak millennials" are the touchiest and most hyper-sensitive.

Casters were very weirdly balanced in older editions. Magic-Users were very fragile since you needed a much high Dexterity to even get an AC bonus. AND that AC bonus did not count if you were casting a spell. Spells were pretty hard to cast as the casting times increased as the spells got...

👍 I can forget sometimes that I'm not with my friends who know where I'm coming from and can inherently decipher my poor attempts at sarcasm!

Sorry! My attempt at humor didn't work. I was alluding to the irony of some of his social media posts and his poor English skills.

His English is so bad, I'm starting to think it's his second or third language. There's no way a white racist can be that bad at English.

I don't know him. But I assume he's single, no partner, and very few friends, and getting on in years. Hate groups often target such types for recruitment.

What's odd is that they don't really know anything about free speech. Having the legal right to say something doesn't mean other people have to like it. They seem to take the attitude that if you are not pro-Nazi, then you are being intolerant.

Anyone think the Chinese is the original text and TSR just used Google to translate it to English? Maybe we have it backwards.

They might as well just go "all in" at this point and try to corner that white supremest market. They could just think of the reports of their Nazi-leanings as "free marketing". This is a joke, of course. But I would not be surprised if they actually did.

My Chinese literacy is barely "proficient" - but it looks like a translation.

Yes they did! They had titles for every level too. A 9th level fighter would be a "Lord" - iirc

You just said in your previous post that Bards can have Expertise and fighters can't. Doesn't that mean outshine? So decent CHA and Persuasion are not good enough cuz from Bard school can "do better" (ie. "outshine"). Yes. I think Fighters are more identifiable to common NPCs than Wizards...

I just don't see it. Fighter is not broken in my experience. Lots of players I have played with took Persuasion as a Fighter. They worked out just fine. You wanna buff them at your table then go ahead. Some pretty cool ideas in this very thread. There's been a wide range of expectations...

I think that's missing the point a bit here. For example, I don't call for Persuasion checks, etc. that don't make any sense. That is, the social pillar is not dominated by dice rolls. A Hero (Fighter, Cleric, whatever) who just rescued the village children is going to have more "Charisma"...

Seen some good ideas here! No one is saying you shouldn't try them out in your games. Some of us just don't think the Fighter is broken. I think the above ability could be extended to include Intimidation/Insight/Persuasion/etc. in social situations with "soldiers". Soldiers could be kind...

I'm curious if you all play with feats. If not, do you find the game better?

This is the disconnect. I feel that nothing is preventing a Fighter from having a decent Persuasion. And it doesn't need some shiny button. Their unique feature is 2 ASIs. 20 CHA is good imo. 20 STR Wiz would be competent at fighting, Athletics, etc. Competence does not mean you have to...

I suppose every class has attributes. What I mean is that most players get to choose which scores to assign to which attributes. I'm curious what most people here expect the bare minimums a Fighter to have? If to be combat viable in your game requires a 20 Strength/Dex, 20 Con, GWM/Shield...