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This thread's poll. And yes, if this poll were an accurate reflection of the genre's entire playerbase, which side would you expect WotC to build to? I'd expect them to err on the side of 52%. Heck even if you only compare the "Major Selling Point" versus both "Strike Againsts", it comes out...

Really? Huh. Oath of Devotion feels very "Paladiny" to me, just tack on an Alignment Restriction and Fall From Grace nonsense and bob's your uncle. Also rename the base class "Knights of Devotion" or Divine Champion and the the Oaths into "classes", such that Oath of Devotion becomes Paladin...

I don't know. From your write up it sounds like all the enemies came from the basement. I'm geussing that's not the case, but that's how you've written it. If it was the case of "Enemies in the Office" and "Enemies in the Basement" then you could have held the Basement baddies back till the...

They sat at the Round Table, the high seat that Stood For Something, just as your Aligment Restrictions "stand for something". I know. The further back you go the worse Knights tended to behave. I'm mostly waving my arms in a "this is the general direction (Arthurian Fables) from which your...

Depending on which story you read both [-]Gawain[/-] Percival and Galahad were good enough to sit upon The Siege Perilous (it's a magic chair) and thus initiate the Grail Quest, and one or the other actually do complete the quest and recover the Grail. Were a few of the Knights rather...

Sure, it was hyperbolic. How about these then: Your Paladins, if they stay to their nature, will never commit incest (King Arthur), commit adultery (Lancelot du Lac), be incompetent braggarts and troublemakers (Sir Kay), use dark magic to seduce (Sir Bedivere), or use deception to cover their...

In my opinion this is your first "mistake"*. It's one of control... The sentence should read "I allowed my players to trigger two encounters simultaneously". Everything you need to "fix"* flows from there. The second thing to consider is this: Did you want them to 'win'? At what cost...

No doubt he meant Gold Five.

You do realize that's bs right? There is nothing stopping your Paladins from straight up raping, eating, and then murdering someone right? They just stop being a Paladin at some point during the process. It's not like they are "3 Laws" complaint or anything.

I'm coming back to this one for a moment: Wait... so the characters in the game world knew the rules the class had to follow? How very meta of you.

There is a reason for that. Search your feelings, you know it's true... ;) Besides Alignment Prerequisites, Restriction, and Violations Rules... what else needs to be in the package? Smite [Opposite Single Axis Alignment]? Detect [Opposite Single Axis Alignment]? Spontaneous Channel...

So you can't extend (and alter) this to "Paladins carry a great deal of weight and authority stemming from their God Mandated Code or from their Divinely Vested King/Emperor or as Bestowed from the Virtues and Duties of their Knightly Order"? Really?

Okay. I agree. That said, it's a terrible place to write the rules from unless your goal is to make non-LG Paladins more difficult to houserule into games.* It is far better to go from the other direction, create rules that support Inclusive Alignment Paladins and then allow the individual...

Unless your position is "I get the rules my way, NYA NYA NYA!", yes, Inclusive Alignment Paladins do cover both sides. Your side just now has to use houserules... just like the other side used to (and probably still will). No I do not. I'm pretty sure it'll make the side that keeps clamoring...

We understand your position. We simply don't accept as a valid position from which to write rules. Look at it from this perspective: If WotC write rules that are open to "Any Alignment" Paladins, then it is easy for individual DMs to houserule it to a smaller subset of the "9 Periodic...

I tend to dislike Paladins in D&D (I'm not a fan of Alignments, thus things that force them to be an issue poke one of my buttons). Thus I've only ever played one. Me and a friend decided to play brothers, Paladins and to push one aspect of the Aligment requirement as the central concept for...

It requires a DM to either houserule and restrict Alignments to play the "Restrictive Alignment Camp" or leave it open and thus play to the other Camp. So where is the problem? Just houserule it in your campaigns. Or if you're the player, put up with whatever the DM decides.

Your original "example" - Superman, has never been reduced from the "Last Son of Krypton" concept by the addition of other Kryptonians. Not since the title was slapped on him in 1978 has he been 'reduced' by the backstories of others. So... what you're saying is you don't want to have to...

At least you're swallowing and not spitting all over the place the Anti-DoaMers...

Obviously, according to this doll, it touches them in their D&D place. I find it outrageously funny that you would chose an example that so completely undermines the point you are trying to make. Wait, you are arguing that Hussar's character choices severely affect yours, yes?