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It doesn't. It eliminates the perception that 5MWD is a problem* by making 5MWD the only way to play the game. * Excepting for those who might reject the game entirely. But we've never seen that happen.

Not strictly true, but, depending on the exact proposal, you have 'some' to 'much' more certainty about the what the optimal usage rate is. Also - dammit, we've been at this luxury spa for two weeks; seems like we ought to be ready to go! Agreed. Do you have a take on the kind of thing that...

You know what they say: getting old is not for wimps. So, yeah, chalk it up to verisimilitude - there are, um ... things ... that just don't recover like they used to. :(

Foresight 13 Gate 19 Imprisonment 17 Invulnerability 7 + 1 = 8 Mass Heal 21 Mass Polymorph 18 Meteor Swarm 23 Prismatic Wall 20 Psychic Scream 17 Shapechange 21 Time Stop 5 True Polymorph 17 - 2 = 15 True Resurrection 4

Ah, ok, that distinction makes sense.

Really interesting. In theory, I'd prefer having a smaller chance of a less debilitating negative consequence tied to each "over-limit" use of the PC's resource. "Full recovery" and "exhaustion" are big chunks which create a risk 'cliff' and a reward 'spike', but it does have the distinct...

I think your idea is quite interesting, so I don't want to get hung up on what is somewhat tangential, but isn't the PC deciding to push and recover a fictional event? It seems like one, or at least like the game-mechanical description of one. Isn't that why tying it to exhaustion "makes...

You seem to be going to some lengths to portray DMs who wish to limit 5MWD as imbued with poor motivations. Unless it just makes you feel superior or something, it's wasted effort since that's not what's going on here. That's one possibility. Another is that they see it as maximizing their...

I don't understand the inclusion of "Gygaxian Skilled Play" in this list. Skilled play is possible in any game that is not pure chance, so I guess you mean something more specific by "Gygaxian". (?) Class balance issues are not the only reason for disliking 5MWD.

Foresight 15 Gate 18 Imprisonment 20 Invulnerability 8 + 1 = 9 Mass Heal 20 Mass Polymorph 18 Meteor Swarm 22 Prismatic Wall 20 Psychic Scream 18 Shapechange 21 Time Stop 13 True Polymorph 16 - 2 = 14 True Resurrection 13

Based on what you say next, I think, maybe, you meant, "no, but I'm going to change the subject". ;) EDIT: Oh, wait, I think I missed something about what you said. Yes, as I noted in my response to @Ovinomancer, that is an interesting, but different discussion. I accept that the assertion...

Good point and interesting questions. But that's a greatly different discussion from what it would be if we're talking about how to treat assertions of fact, and the reason I asked the question was that those two kinds of things seemed to be getting muddled together in the discussion.

Oh, ok, that's an interesting clarification. Hmm. Ok. To me, it has seemed to have a good deal of people talking past each other, and, unfortunately, some misunderstanding/misrepresentation. No, not at all. But thank you. But back to your first point - do you still think that the main...

I suppose I should let @Morrus speak for himself, but I doubt that his intent in posting the item was that narrow. Moreover, I don't think that it is incumbent on the person who starts a thread to ensure the good behavior of those who respond.

So just so we can be clear about what is, or is not being said - are you contending that the assertions, "People playing D&D are engaged in occult practices." and "Playing D&D increases the likelihood of becoming wiccan." are religious assertions?

Just as I was about to castigate you, @Bawylie, for taking too negative a view of what people were expressing in the thread, that happens. Still, I think it's better to point out those individually when the attitude seems unmistakable than to paint with the broad brush you started out with...

My vote on Monday got overwritten, so this includes a correction... Foresight 16 Gate 20 Imprisonment 20 Invulnerability 12 + 1 + 1 = 14 Mass Heal 20 Mass Polymorph 18 Meteor Swarm 26 Prismatic Wall 21 Psychic Scream 19 Shapechange 21 Time Stop 16 True Polymorph 20 - 2 - 2 = 16 True Resurrection 17

Yeah, sorry, I'd also have treated giving the sword to the other goblin (or letting them take it) as contrary to the Suggestion. I'd make goblin #2 trying to take the sword away a Strength contest between the goblins with some bonus (maybe advantage) for goblin #1 because they have hold of the...

Page or section? I don't recall ever seeing this, and even searching I can't find it.

Foresight 17 Gate 22 Imprisonment 22 Invulnerability 19 + 1 = 20 Mass Heal 21 Mass Polymorph 20 Meteor Swarm 25 Power Word Heal 7 Prismatic Wall 18 Psychic Scream 21 Shapechange 21 Storm of Vengeance 14 Time Stop 17 True Polymorph 19 - 2 = 17 True Resurrection 18