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Heh, I can vouch for that. I've still got a full core set of AD&D1e, which survived being in my possession from the time I was about 4-5 years old, and the most damage they've got is still where the previous owner slapped a (rather sweet) lady&tiger sticker on the front of the PHB and scribbled...

Do I need to describe all ways it could be narrated or just the one I'd probably use? I'd probably use something along the lines of, "The troll's twisted fist strikes you in the side of the head, knocking you to the ground. As your ears ring, your vision starts to fade to black. You fall...

Given that I just stated I don't care how realistic or fantastic a wound system is, I can only see one thing I am picking and choosing what it applies to. That thing is "Modeling being wounded" and I am saying that it need only apply to systems intending to model wounds. I don't think this is...

I don't think a wound system necessarily needs to be super realistic, I just don't see how the HP system is such a wound system. I can see thinking that the non lethal damage impairments at very low hp are maybe, maybe a nod to the idea, but even then a character with a wound doesn't have any...

Bahaha, even I wouldn't be happy with that, and I like 4e.

I hope you are happy, piratecat. Now my mind is ablaze with the fun I could have by introducing a golemcrafter, right at a time when I had a slot open for something interesting to be put in.

Power to the people! Slam attacks for commoners!

Longtooth Shifter springs to mind. Bonuses to Strength and Wisdom, plus encounter regen.

I disagree with you, therefore my opinion does not matter and I am also ill-informed?

Canus gives a slight, disappointed sigh as the voice of reason speaks up. "I suppose we could hold off on the fireworks while we look for survivors." Canus looks to Maerek. "I suppose you'll still be able to blow this thing later? It isn't every day a man gets to see that kind of sight...

I might agree with that, but what I am responding to is the assertion that A handled B just fine before C came along and mucked it up, therefore C is a problem. I do not think A was doing a good job of handling B before or after the arrival of C, and therefore do not see why C is to blame for...

Wow, serious cascade of responses. It's true, I don't get it. I'd kinda like to get it, thus I continue discussing it. What is the connection? What wounds does HP damage give a character? Danny has been doing a great job of finding and posting instances where being at low HP is detrimental...

My comment is that the HP system does not fit a quality narrative about being wounded. Surges cannot take away that quality if it wasn't there. Yes. Yes, I can. Actually, I can. You claim to be unable to. You've agreed with my premise(HP have issues), but not my conclusion, which only leaves...

Right up until your last sentence, I'm with you. My point is that HP didn't fit a quality narrative about taking wounds anyway, thus surges aren't taking anything away.

Okay, I stand corrected. But still not convinced, really. The 1hp 3.5 fighter would run for an hour, then get a point of non-lethal damage and be staggered. So he runs for an hour without problem, then in the second hour(not sure whether that'd be at the start or the end or what, I'll go with...

Wait, your players weren't happy with that? I got excited just reading about it!

This is only true if you hold that HP, on their own, mechanically fit any quality narrative about being wounded. I don't see how they do. Your 1hp fighter in the woods could decide to hop to his feet and run a marathon in his armor. By raw, this marathon would go exactly as well as the same...

As the DM, I generally try to keep my own descriptions of PC stuff(like patching themselves up) fairly short. I try to give the players a starting point, and often end a one-liner like the above with asking them to take it from there. It seems kinda "coachy" but, then again, I do have several...

Yeah, I've always assumed the mundane equipment in D&D priced via a system of "Oh, just write some friggin' numbers down and call it a day already!"

I generally make a conscious decision at the beginning of the file. "This time I will be a good guy." "This time I will be a bad guy." The same way I might decide whether to be a melee character or ranged.