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Yeah I don't think he was going for world class level statistics gathering here... Just kind of the basics. And adding that 4th element might actually have confused stuff for a lot of people. Start with do you like a mix of unrealistic + realistic then figure out what the type of mix you're...

Yeah I know what you mean, but I guess what he's trying to show is: Unrealistic Character, Unrealistic Attire. Realistic Character, Unrealistic Attire. Realistic Character, Realistic Attire. He probably could have done it without the chainmail bikini thing, but I think it was probably the...

Yeah I get what you're saying... I think he was just trying to go for an overall what style do you prefer better and that was the easiest way to emphasize the differences in a very apparent way? It's not so much how do you want women depicted, so much as the style overall. (It probably would...

Second picture: Proportions Still way more busty then a warrior would be but not "out of whack...." like the first image. Looks more woman then girl. Slightly more emphasis placed on muscle tones. Less stylized facial features (eyes aren't the size of her hands for instance...) More...

They're similar, but that's kind of the point. Really what he's asking is do you prefer extremely exaggerated, slightly exaggerated, or not exaggerated. The one in the middle is basically taking example 1 and 3 and smushing them together.

Sorry to keep quoing you, but I think this is why I kind of liked what I've heard about the skill system so far. The openness? I like the idea of skills- they give a consistent and fair way to arbitrate something, but they DO seem a bit too binary. I like the idea that they is a basic...

I get what you're saying, but I think it plays into it. One of the things I liked the most about 4e monsters was that since different monsters of the same type could have different powers and abilities, it felt more like the old days when you never really knew what to expect with monsters- They...

But I'd say D&D is more of a pulp style world though where those things do exist at one time. I'm a mix of photo realistic and fantasy realistic. I like stuff to have a basic grounding in realism, however I don't like it if it gets hyper focused on realism. The manga style presented isn't...

Well one portion of 5e possibly.

I know what you mean... but to me they get ugly mainly because they also tend to at heart center around wether or not that's how the game should BE. X is no fun so D&D should not BE that. Not sure if I'm making sense with that- but I feel it's different. But I think I'm trying to express...

All I'm talking about is the generation rules, not the basic rules like attack and defense damage and stuff.

Yeah but are you thinking in terms of the basic sub system? That's what I meant about it not being the whole game striving for 1 hour length adventures. Like if you were playing the game with a bunch of complex options and battles and stuff, I doubt they will make a game that plays the entire...

Yeah I've said it before, but I think one of my favorite parts of AD&D (and Dragon in particular) was that it was sort of a mishmash of various optional rules. It was kind of a Frankenstein's Monster... But it was so chaotic it became cumbersome... 3e ushered in the "standardized system" which...

It's interesting to me... I see people talking about what they hope is in D&D Next, but then also what they hope is NOT a part of D&D Next. I think people are thinking about it incorrectly... I THINK at least the idea isn't going to be so much a this rule OR that rule in the game, so much as...

It amounts to the same end result, just quicker. Some should, but not all of them. To me making them ALL follow a sort of ecosystem makes them less monsters and more animals. Monsters of myth are monsters because they're extraordinary and outside the realm of the natural.

Same way PCs get them. A PC is generally defined by Race + Class. These two things amount for the entirety of their abilities, and they vary based on what the player chooses. (Realistically I walk down the street I'm going to see people with several different abilities and skills, not all...

For me it's about the little differences. It's not Mountain Troll vrs Regular Troll. It's about Regular Troll with a few small difefrences. it makes it feel like a living creature to me as opposed to just some numbers on a sheet, and as I mentioned before makes it harder to expect. I'm not...

It's not about making them "plane touched, vampiric, and advanced-" at least for me. For me it's about supporting the unexpected. Throwing a troll at pcs the first time? Fun... OMG it's not dying!!! Throwing them at the PCs the 3rd time? Get the fire swords out... Making monsters quick to...

Well- one man's simple and boring is another mans quick and fun. I think what he's saying is the option needs to be there for those that want it, not that that's how all games will be run.

It's been a LONG time since I've been able to sit down with a group and complete a short adventure in even 4 hours... I HIGHLY support this goal.