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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    Okay, apparently we have very different experiences here. I don't know of a single player or DM that wants magic items to be rare or excluded. And WOTC definitely did not exclude magic items or make them rare. They just are not required for the game to work. But there is not a single published...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    I believe I understand where you are coming from here, and I have made my point. So no need to beat a dead horse. We might be on the same page here, but coming from different sides. I can see the influence that 4e had on the things you list (Hit Dice, cantrips, subclasses, "monster builder"...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    That is not what I said. You are changing what I said and then attacking it. That is the very definition of a Straw Man argument. Honestly, I said it somewhat tongue in cheek. Yes, I know we can't prove any particular part of the 5e rules are solely responsible for the success of 5e, or even...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    I guess some people just can't imagine that something not explicitaly called magic could be magic. I don't have that problem. It's pretty easy actually. I was starting to look at the good of 4e, but now I am starting to not like it all over again. I try to explain what I don't like and why, and...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    And it became the most popular version in D&D history. So looks like the grognards were right!
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    What does magic have to do with it? Fire Bolt is not terrifying. At least it is less terrifying than a Fighter with a sword or a bow. Fire Ball is a limited resource. The Wizard can't throw Fire Balls all day. A Fighter can swing his sword as much as he wants. Also, magic in D&D is like...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    Great! I fully expect that not everyone will agree with my opinion on Graze, but I didn't want to stay silent and let people have the misconception that "everyone is okay with it." Nope! But it's okay that I'm not okay with it. I'm hopeful that it doesn't spread any farther, but if it does, at...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    Well I will admit my knowledge of 4e is very limited, but yes. Far worse. :) Also, I seem to recall that weapons didn't do that much anyway. The power did the damage and you just had to have an "Implement," a.k.a. a weapon, in your hand to use the power. Yeah, that didn't feel very good to me...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Magic Missile is saved! Hooray!

    For those of you that like Magic Missile as a Concentration breaker, what about Death Saves? Someone mentioned it earlier, but I don't think anyone answered. If there is a couple characters down, can the big bad finish one off with two missiles and give the other two fails? Or do they both just...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    But you can still miss with a greataxe, or a maul, or a halberd. How come they can miss but the greatsword can't? And I don't want the solution to be for them all not to miss! I'll say it again. Just because I (and obviously others) don't like Graze, or the "Damage on a Miss" mechanic in...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    Why doesn't the greataxe do "whoosh" damage? Yep, if it has a ring of evasion and makes it dex save. Or just isn't where the wizard targets the spell. And I think you are missing the point. I am not saying it doesn't make sense from an in game perspective. I can make up reasons why it would...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    I think a good example of the problem I have with Graze is the Pixie. Dragons it kinda make sense. They are huge and, probably, hard to miss, but they have tough scales. So a powerful hit from a large greatsword you can kinda see doing some damage even if it doesn't "hit". Right? A mighty blow...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    Yeah, I remember seeing an ad for an RPG (it might have been this one) and they were saying. "No need to roll to hit! You just roll to see how much damage you do everyturn so you are always making progress!" Or something like that. And that was it for me. I'm out. Not saying it is a bad way to...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    I would like to point out that I did not re-start the "Damage on a Miss" argument. I stated that Graze was "Damage on a Miss" that it felt like it came from 4e, and that I did not like it. It was the forces of the 4e supporters that immediately came in claiming that people the don't like it...
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    It's funny you mentioned it just minutes before my post. :) I disagree that "2024 D&D out-4es 4e" but it does feel like that is part of 4e that I don't like creeping in.
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    D&D 5E (2014) 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

    I would first like to say that I have a generally positive view of the new 2024 rules. That said, there are certainly things they added that I dislike. And the few things that I relate to 4e (opinions on this I’m sure vary) are not all in the dislike category. Bloodied and more interesting...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Dungeoncraft Interview with Mike Mearls

    I think trying to put out a version of D&D that only goes to level 10 would be a mistake. One of those, "Give them what they want, and they will hate it." situations. Like the TV series that have a romantic "Will they? Won't they?" situation. Everyone says they want to see them get together, but...
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    D&D General Drow & Orcs Removed from the Monster Manual

    I'm only halfway through this thread, but I will throw my 2cp in. Personally, I don't like the 'solution' of moving humanoid creatures to other types. I have heard the official reason, but honestly probably couldn't repeat it accurately. Something about 'they fit better there'. As stated, I...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Monster Manual 2025 Stat Block Compilation

    I'm not saying it is a serious issue, but it is annoying. It will slow things down occasionally, but we will adapt and it will be fine. But again, they already had it in the previous book, they could have just left it in and it wouldn't be a problem at all. No one would have even noticed and...
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    D&D 5E (2024) Monster Manual 2025 Stat Block Compilation

    I mostly use published adventures and add creatures to what is listed.
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