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  1. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I do not want to be associated with that claim. For one thing, it is far from obvious to me that (i) and (ii) is applicable to the situation. Another thing is that (ii) appear to be (modified) GNS, which I do not like being mixed into the context of clearstream's experiences. A third thing...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Oh. I almost misread you there. I first tought you were talking about general play of the rpg, but you are apparently talking about the particular instant of play. This changes my answer. Do you remememer some hundred pages ago how you rejected my attempts of reading something GNS-like into...
  3. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Exactly! I don't know. And hence I am not sure why would you object to Lanefan, not knowing if they are likely to use the same process?
  4. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    My impression is that this type of assumption is very widespread indeed. This is one of the reasons I find Knave 2ed very tempting. It seem like a relatively clean sheet, with nothing but a human and whatever they have in their inventory (and stats that act like class levels) (Edit...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But would you insist on playing a plane-touched even after you were politely informed that that would be very peculiar indeed, as in this world all known planes of existence colapsed into each other in the great sundering, and the game is set on the last known reality-bouble 1000 years after...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Ok. In that case I think I would consider using the powers that come with the position in trad for enforcing anything that seem to match your "bright lines", abuse. It should be reserved for what you seem to consider fundamental uses. I think we might have slightly difference in stance with...
  7. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Fair enough. Thank you for replying. I found your answers nice, and I new spark of inspirarion for where the communication might have been lead astray. I think this might be a critical observation that might have blindsided me! I am a former teacher and non-native speaker. For me throwing out...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I am confused. To the first, yes, I am absolutely introducing things to the fiction. I spelled that out in two of my examples. That was the entire point. I did it, not my support material. I had a long reply to your second question, but I hope the essence is covered in the previous paragraph...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    They play something that feels sufficiently like a tiefling to that particular player at least. Is it a tiefling though? I would say no in the context of what started this reply chain. Can it be called a tiefling? Sure thing! Ah! I am so sorry! I misremembered your post when I wrote this last...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This we agree on :)
  11. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You quoted me, so I feel like replying. In my view I have yet to come across an RPG not able to provide me a simulationist experience per my understanding of @clearstream 's description. If that is the defining criteria for "simumationistic", then yes I would consider all RPGs simulationistic...
  12. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So when you are at a resturant and ask for another glass of water - and the waiter happens to be free to immediately and without question fulfill your request, you have exerted absolute power over the waiter? Or have you by chance at any point in this conversation with me started to respond...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, absolutely not!!! I see my mistake! I am sorry! For some reason I had an image in my in mind about the way wine tasters and music enthusiasts appear to be able to recognise subtle differences other's cannot when I was writing this. But that is a completely wrong image in this case! I think...
  14. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And I find both very unlikely? Where did @Lanefan explicitely state they wouldn't have an adult conversation with the player to unearth why they were interested in playing a dragonborn, before needing to assess if they were going to accept or reject it? It seem like you are inserting the...
  15. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But does it not then rather make it mechanics driven rather than player driven, if we use the same criteria for how to designate a "driver"?
  16. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes. I would be ok with working out something that looks like a thiefling and works like a thiefling. That still isn't a thiefling. You are still limiting away part of the defining lore. How do you know it is not this flavor the player is interested in? I would indeed find that incredibly more...
  17. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That might be. But if I declare a four-sided triangle, I would appriciate if you try to get clarification on what I am meaning up front, rather than go on replying to me as if I surely must have meant a square :) And less importantly. I absolutely reject your notion regarding limitations to...
  18. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I saw this now. I think I might have a relevant point before diving to deep into this rabit hole. I would claim neither text nor play is able to identify simulationist experience. I present chess as a case study. It can be experienced as a battle simulation. It can also be experienced as a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Data can support me in making a decission. Data does not make a decission itself. A random roll might support me in making a more neutral narration. The roll doesn't make the narration itself. My role as a GM supports me in having my simulative judgment calls be accepted into fiction. This role...
  20. Enrahim

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    While I instead of suggesting you take a car, would cheer you on and praise you for what good thing you do for the community (assuming there in this analogy also is some positive community effect like some charity payout per mile on this 1000 mile treck)
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