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I get what you're saying but ultimately, if the game only works when people don't think about it too much, then the game doesn't really work. This is similar to the 3e thing where the designers thought everyone would just build and play clerics like they had in 2e, rather than players engaging...

Not really. You still have an action economy, race abilities, class abilities, backgrounds, paths, ASIs.

Yeah, for sure. I vaguely remember an old 3e thread (not here) about how a player who just naively wanted to play a shapeshifting and summoning druid and had a terrible time when it turned out so he effortlessly made the rest of the party wholly ineffective by comparison. I remember playing a...

Superman is evil anyways.

I think 5e is actually a poster child for the kind of problem I've been talking about. It's built solidly on the foundations of 3e and 4e in terms of having character generation based on a giant menu of competing rules packets, and of combat focusing on efficient use of those abilities and...

WFRP 1e is great and it's still a game I run occasionally. It doesn't sound to me like this new version has any value.

Maybe 'the rest of the world' just means the US, but in the UK poor loser and bad loser are common and sore loser is not.

I'm with you. I used to play Magic the Gathering at a semi-competitive level (two GP day twos and one PT), and I still play at local game nights and such. I definitely play to win, and try to gain every (sportsmanlike) edge I can. But, I don't feel bad when I lose, unless maybe it was because...

Agreed. This is what I was trying to get at earlier in terms of this being a game design/game choice problem. It is not an unavoidable choice for RPG characters to be built from a large menu of bespoke rules packets. However, if you have a game like this, it is unavoidable that some of them...

You only ever respond with 'well ackshually' and pedantry. Please stop responding to me at all.

But if they don't even match reality it's hard to have a discussion

Rubbish

That's why I said degenerate. 'Fighters should have high strength, weapon specialisation, and maybe throw darts' is optimisation but it's benign and it doesn't distort the game.

What? Why would he do that?

Degenerate optimisation is a system matters problem, specifically it's either a user error by the group/GM in selecting the wrong system for the experience they want, or it's a user error by the publisher in printing the wrong system for the experience they want. There are lots of RPGs that...

Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide. One of the blue book softcovers supplements for 2e. A really useful, approachably written guide to GMing. With great art!

I think White Wolf's achievement in getting close to D&D is much more impressive than Paizo's. White Wolf brought in a new audience to roleplaying and genuinely expanded the hobby. Their games had style, they were bold, they were different, they had something to say and had a real artistic...

I don't think anyone is saying it's authoritative. But we already have only very questionable evidence that Pathfinder ever outsold 4e. The fact that the people behind Pathfinder, and the people who have some level of inside knowledge, also haven't made that claim is further circumstantial...