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It rubs me the wrong way when folks throw the word 'innovation' around and say (or imply) things like '4e is D&D evolved/modernized'. 4e is a different game, not an evolution, better at some things than 1-3e, worse in other aspects. Pick your favorite by all means, but please don't imply that...

I'm against HS but agree that CLW quivers and Cleric over-reliance are bad. I agree that the Heal skill is a starting point to a solution. I also think that herblore can play a larger role in the game, such that even a Fighter can gain skill levels in herblore and have some limited, yet...

Curbing the power of the wizard at mid-high level is OK, but I hope they account for that at low levels - i.e. Wiz cannot be sad-sack at low as per 1-3e and just pull even at lvl 10+. Not sure how they'll accomplish this and retain the Wiz flavor; better HP? No spellbook or familiar dependance...

As a vet I love the flexibility of having all these classes, but my fear is 1) new players will be overwhelmed by this large list and 2) the 5e PHB will be HUGE :confused:

Surprised no one asked about the spell system ... The rest sounds good so far ...

Agreed, but just as importantly, fun should trump balance fetishism as well.

4 or 7 works for me

IME, mid+ level Wizards in some 3e games come off as overpowered *mainly* because of: -the 15-min adventuring day -DMs too nice or inexperienced to exploit their long list of weaknesses -Monsters using Wiz spells (e.g. Lich spell nails the Ftr, who says "That spell's borked!") but monsters...

ROFL! And crying at the same time! ;)

Hear, hear! Hate the way everything hits AC at mid-levels & up and the way 3.5 reduced options to heighten spell save DCs. Sounds like 4e will rectify the first (and I don't mind some fcn of either level or BAB adding to AC), now I hope they will address the latter.