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How so? That's how I naturally see it. For example, in Warhammer Fantasy, most undead are not intelligent. For Vampire Counts/Coast, only vampires have real minds. Vampires have to employ lower ranking vampires and human necromancers to 1) create more undead 2) corral undead into going...

"This can't be trusted for General Consumption" Essentially, Necromancer fans want a broken class that they can promise to be fair and generous with but in the wild would and could easily be problematic. Hence why no TTRPG designer gives them that. A designer would have to make a compromise...

It's less "do one thing with a clear intended purpose and nothing more" More "separate the combat spells from the exploration spells and social spells." If you want a spell that summons 10 zombies at level 3, sure. But they can't be combat zombies. If you want to push a boulder out the way, you...

Well let's see what we have SpellAnimate Dead Create UndeadSummon Undead/Spirit of DeathDanse Macabre"Conjure Undead""Dead Hands" 1st Level 2nd Level 1 Spirt10 Workers 3rd Level 3 Skeletons/Zombies 1 Spirit 1 Spirt 20 Workers 4th Level 5 Skeletons/Zombies 1 Spirit, 2...

Champion Fighter is like those video game RPG classes that are boring and lame at low levels and dang near brokenly OP at high level.

I'm arguing for for more more spells. D&D has only 3 official core undead summoning spells. Animate Dead 3rd level spell, Summon a minor Undead. More with higher level slots Create Undead 6th level spell, Summon 1-3 moderate Undead. More and better version with higher level slots Summon Undead...

That sounds like a bunch of different spells. And that's ultimately what I think goes back the the crux of the issue. Each "thing" you want to do with your undead minions should be a different spell. Your swarm of attacking zombies is a different spell from your skeleton archers, your undead...

The the Crux of the issue is the necromancer fans have to say exactly what they want to be able to do with their undeads in combat, exploration, and social situations and what they are willing to give up on. Thinking you can get 3+ turns is unreasonable. Getting more than 2 extra turns in a...

The truth of the matter is. If you want to control an army of units individually in D&D, you must either become a DM or accept you are being disruptive and probably disrespectful to your tablemates' time. A sacrifice must be made OR you are being a spotlight hog.

I'm asking what specific what they want and are willing to give up. My response with any spell that a person is not willing to give up anything in order to get the effect.. 9th level spell.

I was going for Diablo 2 necromancer. So instead of iron Maiden, Blood Golem, Skeleton Mage, Bone Spear. Life Tap, Iron Golem, Skeleton Mage, Bone Spear. I play most of the preNerf Necros Corpse explosion Amp Dam Poison Dagger Skellymancer Shotgun of Teeth

Thats not the problem. The problem is getting fans to say what they want to do with 10 skeletons. If the answer is to take 10 turns then the responses no you can't do that. If the answer is to make 10 attacks then the response is to make a single monster that has 10 attacks. If the answer...

Necromancer fans have to accept that like in fiction, the undead army is a swarm and 1 unit. You don't control 10 skeletons, you control 1 mass of skeletons.

I mained Necro in D2 back in the day Iron Maiden Blood Golem prenerf So to me, I'm going back to Raise Skeleton Blood Golem Iron Golem Bone Spear Bone Spirit Life Tap Iron Maiden 1 spell for a blob of ☠️ 1 spell for big ☠️ 1 spell for shoot ☠️ 1 spell for life drain 🩸

How so? You create a spell for a undead horde, Conjure Undead. You already have Summon Undead Allow high level subclass to concentrate on both.

2024 version. When it's a moving blob of damage.

I was thinking. Conjure Beasts Undead You conjure nature spirits minor undead that appear as a Large pack horde of spectral, intangible animals in an unoccupied space you can see within range. The pack horde lasts for the duration or until killed, and you choose the spirits’ animal form, such...

I'm taking about "Conjure Animals But Undead" like @mellored suggested And Emanation that you control that moves around that deals Necrotic damage or Restrain enemies that monsters can target.

The Undead Army Necromancer needs its own spell. A spell that summons a blob of undead that you make do actions.

That's still bad. Effects that only target your favored Enemy or only work in your favored terrain is bad. Too many games go all one way or another. It should be like Divine Smite. You get 80% power at base and 100% vs your specialty. +1d6 normally, +1d8 vs favored enemies. The...