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Big, bulky, short-necked sauropods Some sauropods (Barapasaurus, possibly Paralititan) have a big, chunky body, a very high weight, and a relatively short neck and tail. At 60 ft long and 48 tonnes-odd in weight, Barapasaurus should be 20 ft Bite Reach, 20 ft Tail Slap Reach, 20 ft Space...

Yunnanosaurus I think it's still unclear whether it is a sauropod or a prosauropod (I've seen cases made for both)- still- it makes a good maximum for the bipedal sauropodomorphs. I'm guessing that if it's not a round number, Reach (in either direction) rounds down- since 15 ft + 50% is 22.5...

Space/Reach advancing slower than dimensions Of course, if Wizards had not made the Space/Reach categories for a creature advance slower than the dimensions, we might not have these problems: If Space/Reach had doubled every time, the way Height/Length does, after Large, it would have looked...

herrarasaurus It is comparable in weight and length (around 350 kg and 20 ft long) to the larger gracile theropods such as Gojirasaurus- at up to 350 kg it is more lightly built than Dilophosaurus but more heavily built than the slim ceratosaur Elaphrosaurus. Though- it could be a "less...

Thyreophorans compared to sauropods It is sort of funny- that we've just been statting out spiked, armoured- and club-tailed thyreophorans- and it turns out- that there are spiked, armoured, and club-tailed sauropods. EDIT: the ankylosaur and stegosaur stats look good. Lots of special...

how many kinds of sauropod? We have Generic Sauropod (probably the camerasaurs, largest prosauropods, non-armoured titanosaurs, and the chunkier diplodocids such as Apatosaurus. These can run from Large at adult stage, to high-end Gargantuan (and, if Bruhathkyosaurus exists, colossal as well)...

Dinosaurs Diplodocus and Apatosaurus are quite short necked (20-22 ft) compared to some of the others- a 20 ft reach (if on a 20 ft base) is plenty- for them. Barosaurus, etc can have longer reach. (the highest figure I've seen for Mammenchisaurus is for a recent exhibit- with a length of 115...

sauropod size While base size does not scale well, I figure a 15 ft sauropod body (discounting neck and tail) sitting on a 20 ft base, looks passable. Diplodocus and Apatosaurus have very similar body sizes- one is just chunkier than the other. Hence, my idea of Diplodocus being the...

3.5 and Colosaal 3.5 statblocks do (sometimes) allow for Colossal creatures with a Space larger than 30 ft. the 3.5 revision to Epic Handbook, gives the devastation vermin, and the biggest Abomination, a 50 ft space. Elder Evils gives the advanced Aspect of the Leviathan a 60 ft Space...

sizes Aside from preferring Gargantuan to Huge for Diplodocus itself, I like the stats- and a slightly smaller diplodocid can probably fill the Huge slot. Depending on how accurate Ken Carpenter's reconstruction of Amphicoelias fragillimus is, it could have a Space and reach of anywhere...

Pathfinder statblocks While I am a little wary, there are some things I think they definitely got right. First- that creatures with a sufficiently long appendage (tail, in the case of the Tarrasque, neck, in the case of Elasmosaurus) can break the normal reach rules. Elasmosaurus has a 15...

The point I was trying to make was- in horizontal position- with its centre of mass above the centre of its space- its jaws already end roughly 15 ft away from the edge of the "miniature base" so to speak- it doesn't need to take a step forward- because its mouth is already in the right place...

Generic dinosaurs This idea of a basic "template" on which little modifications can be added (a feat, or increased damage- to distinguish the more different specimens (Dryptosaurus and Megaraptor, for example) does seem logical. (maybe a standard "attack routine" could be given- bite and...

very nice. I was picking the smallest adult sizes (it''s not clear if Fukuiraptor was adult or not, but there were a lot of much smaller juveniles found in the same area) So we could certainly include smaller ones for juveniles. What I find interesting is after a lot of digging around on...

Statting out. This is an interesting way of looking at it. Though personally, given that Velociraptor is a lot lighter and shorter than Deinonychus, i'd say a better example would be: Velociraptor- 2 HD Small creature with Improved Natural Attack- claws Dromaeosaurus- 2 HD Small creature...

Possible groupings Generic Carnosaur- Smallest- Monolophosaurus- Large (17 ft long, 1500 pounds) Largest- Giganotosaurus- Huge (41 ft long, more than 6.5 tons) http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Giganotosaurus http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Giganotosaurus Notice thse...

now this is a pretty fair summary of major groups needed Technically, Megaraptor wasn't dropped to Large (and Deinonychus to Medium) until the 3.5 errata to the Monster Manual- the print copy of 3.5 rulebook leaves them as Huge and Large. Actually- that's the kind I would have done with...

Size So, Huge for normal sized specimens of: T. rex Carcharodontosaurus Epanterias (Allosaurus amplexus) Giganotosaurus etc, and Gargantuan for advanced versions? That would be more workable. Maybe reserve the Tall category for ones with an unusual stance, like Therizinosaurus. The main...

Base size advancing slower than actual size. One possible source of these kind of size debates, is that the base size for WoTC creatures, advances more slowly than the actual height or length of the creature: Normal minimum sizes (height, or length nose to base of tail): Medium: 4 ft Large: 8...

MMIII "fleshraker dinosaur" has a tail attack and is described as a dromaeosaur-type (but then, it also has poison) Also, in 4th ed, the T. rex analog- fang titan drake in 4E MM2- has a tail attack. The reason I prefer long reach Huge- is that there is precedent (MM2 Allosaurus- 3.5 updated...