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I apologize if I sound antagonistic. I thought we were just having fun.

Nope that's not it.

Was it? Is the dragon real? Is it all just a test? Does the dragon really want to eat the man or rescue a confederate? Or maybe the man knows something and the dragon needs the information! Maybe the dragon actually wants to help the man but doesn't think anyone will believe that in his...

You can win this discussion with me: I even have a prescripted solution! My bet is you won't find it!

Yes it is a bad choice. One should try talking. It won't hurt. That said, it's not necessarily an obvious choice to pursue in the heat of the moment when faced with a losing situation.

Pulling on the dragon, getting yourself and the NPC killed and having the world destroyed pretty much ranks 'bad' in my book.

Depends on which movie universe. Old Kirk talked about getting a commendation and almost thrown out with order to never talk about it. IIRC (and I may not since I didn't like the movie) new Kirk got a commendation and a command right out of school. Who gets that? No one! No one gets that!

The only bad choice is not choosing!

Or even. Hmm, this is interesting and obviously railroad. What does he have planned?

It'sthe only thing that does matter. What the DM thinks he presented doesn't matter What the player received does. It's the only data upon which to make a choice.

Kirk got a commendation for it. Sounds like an accepted optimal solution. 2) Maybe, maybe, not. It was a lesson I learned the very hard way several decades ago when I made that mistake a few times in a row as DM. Thinking of a clever solution as the DM with all the info and motivations is...

Orly?

Because it shows a philosophical difference in the player community right now that may or may not have prevented the paladin player from pursuing that as an option at all.

As Kirk showed, K-M had a hidden optimal solution too: in that case cheat. The problem with hidden optimal solutions is they appear obvious to the person who thinks of them and unrealistic/impossible/stupid/insane to everyone else who isn't privy to the secret details.

Isn't there a whole thread right now about how players don't ask for Insight checks because reasons of goals and approaches?

Anyone who hates chocolate and doesn't have a medical justification, is obviously wrong. If they do have a medical justification then it's just a very sad situation.

I am not the one assigning motivations and levels of experience to others.

I read the books enough to grasp all the math and how the system operates: I won't run any system until I get that down (and I've run a lot of systems). I ran several sessions. I played in others. This was right was the books were published, yes. It's not like I liked the system enough to...

I judge every game in front of me based on what's in front of me. I wasn't willing to wait on tenterhooks for 4e to fix its math and judge it then. Single character domination a la Cyberpunk's Decker is a terrible idea. Getting every member involved regardless of their preferences and...

I grokked the rules. I ran several sessions. I played in others. Frankly I don't care how it appears to you.