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I think I used the word "appeal" without good explanation. When I said "appeal" I mean that the primary plea and argument that we used (our "appeal" to Wizards) to Wizards to convince them to open 4E is that it would help support 4E's launch and contribute to its overall success. And by we I...

Yeah, so? Welcome to publishing. You dont get to do the thing you are "contemplating." Happens all the time. I cant tell you how many times I have contemplated a product and not been able to do it. Dashed hopes arent moving me here. Again, to me this is the "dabbler" that is more intersted in...

Sigh. (and I dont do that much). I really hoped that the GSL would put an end to the 3E/4E division. Guys, please lighten up on this. The GSL is not finalized. All this complaining could get the whole thing yanked. That would be a catastrophe. Do I think they would go back after making an...

That, my friend, is a very insightful comment. That is the sort of stuff actual publishers consider. The OGL is open and cant be revoked. Clearly the GSL is way less open than that and likely will be revocable (we'll have to see). At a core level, one concern is whether to base a product...

Wizards has confirmed to me that my arrangement with Paizo is fine. Necro and Paizo are legitimate preexisting companies that have a distribution agreement. Neither is a subsidiary of the other. So long as I just do 4E and Paizo does either 3E or 4E, it will work fine. And, from my end anyway...

Bryon, please dont bash on Scott. He has done way too much for us. I dont know for sure, but my guess is that the GSL was a battle. Just look at the time it took. And he got it done. He and Linae got us the ability to support 4E. Is it exactly like we want it. No. But for goodness sake we need...

Bryon, you've got me on that one. If GR closed T20 and MM, the community would be worse off. Similarly, if they dont support 4E then the community is worse off too. I do think there are some publishers who could reasonably, responsibly and appropriately have 4E support products and support...

I agree that the reality of today is worse than the hope we had yesterday. But certainly no worse than the reality we had yesterday. That feels like when a friend of mine got dumped because he never lived up to be the guy his girlfriend hoped he would be (but never was). I dont think you can...

The primary appeal of the third party publishers to Wizards has been "Help us help you support 4E." Now its time for us to put our money where our mouths have been. If we really want to support 4E, which is most likely the main argument that won the day in keeping 4E open, then we shouldnt...

Agreed. Our nerd rage is up, for sure. But that is stretching it even for the internet :)

That may be. :) All the more reason not to look in its mouth... (the trap door in the belly, on the other hand, you might want to be ready for). I wont deny this is a strong play by Wizards. But just in the time I have posted these thoughts, I could probably have come up with one or more...

Dont get me wrong, I wish that term wasnt a part of the license. Its not my preference. If you ask me: Clark, would you prefer: 1. A GSL that let you still use the OGL but just not in the same product, or 2. A GSL that made you forgo ever using the OGL again. Clearly, I would pick (1). I...

Up till now, they did not have any access to the 4E market base. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clark

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I have a funny feeling I wont like it. "bribe" is a pretty strong word. I'd appreciate it if you perhaps reconsidered your word choice. Lets stick to reasoned discourse and not those kind of insinuations, please, if you dont mind.

Alzrius, sorry if I am a little frustrated. I am not frustrated at you. I think you and I have always carried on reasoned debates even if we disagree. I respect your position. I dont not agree with it. I would be happy to discuss it. I dont see how things are worse today than yesterday...

I think I am going to just give my defense a rest for a few days. It has become abundantly clear to me that some people are just going to complain and look a gift horse in the mouth. No matter what they get, it wont be enough. I dont endorse that thinking at all. This is not war on the OGL...

Do you have a single book in the works for 4E? If not, then what are you worried about? Publish your books for 3E, just like you were planning all along. It not like you have to tell Wizards you are going to use 4E in 3 years and thus cant do anything in the meantime.

How abotu this--release those books, then go 4E. What is wrong with that?

I guess they could condition use of teh GSL on that, but I dont think that is even remotely being suggested. The word I got from Wizards is that there is no riding the fence. You are in as a company. But lets not make this something it isnt. They arent trying to limit all that stuff you mentioned.

Guys, come on. This is hardly declaring war on the OGL. If there was no GSL things would be exactly as they are right now with the GSL. You choose to make 3E products all you want. It cant possibly be worse to give us more choice than we had without the GSL. Yes, I think the "with us or...