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Well, as this is meant to be a meta-class, I see these feats as being open to both sorcerer and wizard. I would encourage a sorcerer to take arcane preparation if they have a reasonable intelligence, especially if they have any metamagic feats, for example. Not quite true. Notice that the...

Tilla, I'd be happy to post my class. A few notes first: - This class was created in an attempt to make a "meta" class for the wizard and sorcerer. The idea was that you could "build" a wizard or "build" a sorcerer using these rules by choosing a certain feat progression for your character...

That's a good point! I should re-word my original feats to class abilities. An intriguing suggestion. I like it because it follows the core 3.5 rules very nicely - you can get both spontaneous and prepared casting without straying too far. The thing I don't like is how inflexible it is -...

Ah, sorry. It looked like you were referring to the post by rkanodia, not the core rules. Also, I'm used to spells "known" as a sorcerer-type ability (i.e. mastered spells) - I didn't realize that you were referring to spells in a book. True - I'm sure that many 1st level wizards would give...

Probably not - I think the big worry is that prepared casters can choose their spells from a virtually unlimited source (their spellbooks), whereas spontaneous casters can only cast spells from a very limited list. It's important to prevent spontaneous casters from casting spontaneously from an...

Actually, it's one spell known. I think you're missing the balance issue here - check out rkanodia's response above and perhaps re-read the original class in the first post (you'll the "extra feat" you mention is used by classic wizards for Scribe Scroll). There is no "super-stacking" with the...

I see what you mean about my class relying on feats in order to remain balanced; I hadn't really considered an alternative (such as the possiblity of spell failure) as a replacement. I was really hoping for a system that didn't really change any of the basic rules about preparing spells...

This is a great idea! However - since, on average, your caster will be getting a lower DC just as much as a higher DC, I don't see any real benefit to taking this feat (as KReynolds has already said). Normally, a feat should provide a benefit. Perhaps you should consider this a character...

An interesting idea - but it sounds potentially unbalancing to allow classes to stack in this way. I'm sure any sorcerer would appreciate that change! This seems unbalancing because levels in sorcerer give you 1> Extra spells/day and 2> Extra spells known. Levels in Wizard give you 1> Extra...

Tilla, Some of your ideas are quite interesting, but I think that we're realling talking about changing the core way that magic works rather than simply modifying existing classes (which isn't bad of course, but not what I was originally shooting for). I wouldn't want to play a character who...

I agree that it is a bit complicated. Originally, the class was Intelligence based, which was much simpler. But I changed it for a few reasons: - I wanted to be able to build a sorcerer by picking a particular feat progression, and they are Charisma based - Pretty well all spontaneous casters...

Well, to be honest, it doesn't really sound quite balanced with regards to the sorcerer. I'm not sure if that's because I believe the sorcerer isn't balanced with respect to the wizard, or if there should be something "more" required here to prevent abuse and keep it balanced. And yes, all the...

I agree. My first draft was Int based, but that doesn't really make sense in 3rd edition. Spontaneous casters such as monsters, bards, and sorcerers all use Charisma - and so should any spontaneous caster. It also makes it necessary to invest in a good Charisma if you want to mix and match...

I've felt the same way at many of the feats in these books! I think your approach is right on - what do the different classes look like at 20th level? Especially if we're trying to maintain a semblance of balance. Level 20 Wizard 4 spells per spell level, virtually unlimited source. Scribe...

Thanks for the great suggestion, Pyrex. I included a very similar feat in my initial presentation, check it out. (Unless your smiley is an indicator that you read it already and are just stirring the pot a bit!)

For each spell level, you choose the higher number, remembering to adjust for Intelligence (from the wizard chart) and Charisma (from the sorcerer chart). See the bottom of this post for the reason why it is done this way. Yes, the maximum number of spells that you can prepare comes from the...

Well, if the wizard takes a bunch of metamagic feats and item creation abilities rather than spontaneously casting, I'd say that's at least somewhat balancing. Something has to be given up for this additional flexibility. Well, the general idea was to have a combined class that could prepare...

By meta-class, I mean a core class that you can play a wizard or a sorcerer by choosing a different set of bonus feats as you gain levels. Or, by spending a truckload of feats (and having both a good Charisma and Intelligence), you can combine features from both wizard and sorcerer. This could...

With the proposed system, a sorcerer doesn't take any change to his spells known (aka mastered) - they take bonus feats so that they have access to the sorcerer spells known table. As they gain levels, they choose spell mastery as their bonus feats (at 5th, 10th, etc) so that they can...

Tilla, you've definately got some interesting ideas there. Within the context of what I was trying to do (make a parent class for wizard and sorcerer), I think that all of these could be useable modifications to the rules, assuming that both wizards and sorcerers would have to abide by the same...