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I think a fair and good question to ask first in a fantasy world what does mundane mean? Does the world/reality you are in change that? Does mundanity "lose its grip" as you level or to put it another way does becoming a "hero" "champion" mean something more than title like a change in the state...

Verisimilitude, the weapon of choice against Fighters for nearly 5 decades.

I never saw Wild Elves as savage, just living as close and symbiotically as possible with the forests they lived in. I never seen them put forward as "savage"

If people wish to discuss it why impede them? If one doesn't find interest in a topic or finds themselves unhappy with said topic they can do what amounts to a lost art these days, move along. I think it is quite polite to open a separate thread so as to not sidetrack another discussion.

Is it racist? Only for the professionally offended.

Can you or should you count on DM to lean the odds in your favor? At say a league table should it be allowed? Should a class depend upon DM favor to be equally viable or is that a sign that something needs to be fixed.

1. Open up more design space in skills 2. Redesign spells that carry out what a skill would so that there is enough reason to situationally choose one over the other. 3. Spellcasting utility should come at a cost of raw power. 4. Provide real costs for using magic. 5. Provide real non magical...

You can twist the guard's point of view in any direction to support/oppose either the Fighter or the Bard thus it ceases to matter as to the Fighter needing support or not.

Two things have held back 5e more than anything else Oversimplification and being shackled to the past. Oversimplification removes granularity and design space. Being shackled to the past has stifled innovation and more than a few previewed ideas.

I was not trying to discredit your table, I was pointing that such things could not be depended upon to fall in your favour. Would the Fighter have been as useful if the Bard was the Noble or the Guard hated Nobles no, the situation your table found itself was one of many possible variations of...

And if the Bard had the Noble background? You cannot count on such things to always matter and hope something random will get the DM to grant advantage as it may not happen, may favour another character, etc. Often enough class abilities and spells can overcome such bonuses or just get...

Also Spell lists should be more strongly themed and limited/curated as well as spells being better balanced. There should always be a good reason to do something in a non magical way with a casting of spell having some sort of cost or issue that forces a consideration if in fact a spell is the...

Add scrolls, wands and staves into the mix and you can even more afford to carry a selection of niche spells, which to a degree is not too hard to figure out what the coming adventuring day may need.

Let's also not forget like every edition beforehand the Wizard will keep getting spells added to its list as the edition progresses.

I think we are in agreement, I was calling out the garbage premise that was trotted out earlier that the Fighter having a background makes up for any disparity in out of combat ability.

Not what I was getting at, some our more um stubborn SSS (Society for Spellcaster Supremacy) members keep trotting out garbage like the Fighter having a background makes up for any out of combat disparity.

But But But the Fighter has a Background. lol Can anyone yet see how worthless such arguments are yet, or have I not yet used enough sarcasm to point out how lacking such arguments are?

Is it me or does sound like some people here seem to think that the Fighter is the only class that can take races, backgrounds and feats. All those poor other obsolete classes only getting their class abilities.

As much a some may want mechanics to serve a narrative at the end of the day it is still a game that is being played, and that to must be served. Thus you get limits like x/day short rests or fighter abilities x/day uses. Sometimes it is just necessary to plaster over and move on, either that or...

I don't see any changes occurring as modern idealogues do not bend even when confronted with logic and fact.