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This is what I would have voted

Try any of that at a RPGA sanctioned event. What works in one's home game doesn't work at RPGA games nor would I expect at online DDI games. The whole point of 4e should be one set of rules that everyone can agree on.

And that is my love/hate feelings towards $e. Because it puts so much emphasis on combat and just a hint towards out-of-combat stuff, I have found in my limited experience that that type of shine will get downplayed more by gamers overall. I miss the story of D&D and I see less of it now...

Very true. I believe moderators should ban immature posters and unlock threads worthy of healthy discourse. I think the majority of us are mature enough to not allow a few punks (from both sides) to ruin our community. As for the disconnect that the OP talks about. If you don't want to be...

That is an excellent and reasoned response.

@Joe: You have been here as long as I have... really are we allowed to have any discussion on the various merits of any game or edition? As it stands now we cannot bad mouth an edition we don't like, but now you would ask us to not talk up an edition we do like? :hmm: What is the point of...

So true, just shows which side of the fence I lean on. :cool:

The specific 3e and 4e forums are for rule discussions specific to that system. General RPG Discussion right now does not seem to be conducive to discussing the general RPG area. I come here for RPG info of all types. I also come here to discuss different aspects of different gaming systems...

Nice. Every single character I have played in the past 20 years has had their info stored in a three prong folder. 1e, 2e, 2e+, 3e, 3.5e, 4e; it doesn't matter. A character still takes up the same amount of space regardless of edition. 4e has not made any of my bookkeeping any easier as a player.

What I hate about this no edition war BS is that it assumes that we cannot have logical discourse about different gaming systems or different gaming styles. Your response (highlighted for effect) sums up why I feel open and mature discussion only benefits the community. Because I like your...

That was an awesome read over the past months. I would have loved to played in that game. Kudos to you Nebulous. I think I need to have a cigarette now. :)

Exactly! Tumbling once per encounter is a failure of 4e. So is not being able to trip someone until 18th-level. I think the big problem that we are going to see with 4e as it grows is that every possible action in combat will eventually have a power associated with it, which IMO is the very...

It's total crap with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

My biggest fear is that WOTC puts out a product with Clark's name on it.

Yep, thats the danger of thinking that ones experience is the same for all. :) I am amazed at how many people just went into a store, bought some books, gathered a group of friends and taught themselves how to roleplay. Especially with the number that I brought into the hobby. Where are all the...

I think that is part of the question that I brought up. To put more succinctly, what does the D&D brand mean towards bringing new people into the hobby. Does it matter what the game is or who makes the current game? Do more people go into Borders to buy 4e because they read a novel or played a...

I have to admit that I am surprised at how fast people have replied in both threads that they found the game without being introduced to it by another player. I was introduced to it by a player that was about 5 years older than me. I think he originally found the red box sex at the local hobby...

I think I am going to try and "rerail" this thread. There is no doubt that WOTC has a superior market position in the RPG market. D&D is the game that started them all and the one most likely to be found in Barnes & Nobles or Borders. But when you get down to it, I think the more important...

Ok just our two posts show about 50+ people introduced to D&D by another player versus 2 that were not. Anecdotal, but still leads to my point that name recognition is not that important when choosing a game system. Its all about the community and local network of players.

I'm choosing you to respond to because someone like you introduced me to D&D back around 1985-86. If we posit that you are one person that picked up D&D on a whim or randomly, how many people did you introduce D&D/RPGs to? I have introduced around maybe a dozen or so with three or four that...