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The fallacy of special pleading. All of these actions, including the Attack action, are in the same form: 'take the (whatever) action -> you can do the things that the action allows for the specified time'. And yet you assert, without evidence, that it works differently for the Attack action...

I've been away for a few days, and I've just spent the time to go through 200 posts or so. One thing jumped out at me... One thing about how players seem to think 5e works just astonishes me, and I believe stems from 5e's lack of wording; something that players of 3e would not do... ...and...

I've been away for a few days, and I've just spent the time to go through 200 posts or so. One thing jumped out at me... One thing about how players seem to think 5e works just astonishes me, and I believe stems from 5e's lack of wording; something that players of 3e would not do... ...and...

You are asserting these interpretations without sufficient evidence to back them up. This results in glaring inconsistencies. If you 'take the Dodge action', then from the moment you say that you are taking this action until the start of your next turn, you can....dodge. If you 'take the...

You are asserting these interpretations without sufficient evidence to back them up. This results in glaring inconsistencies. If you 'take the Dodge action', then from the moment you say that you are taking this action until the start of your next turn, you can....dodge. If you 'take the...

This is not true. In 3e, as soon as swift/immediate actions were introduced, they could be taken at any time on your turn (for swift) and any time at all for immediate. Free actions were in 3e at its beginning, and you can take them any time on your turn. A swift action is identical to a free...

This is not true. In 3e, as soon as swift/immediate actions were introduced, they could be taken at any time on your turn (for swift) and any time at all for immediate. Free actions were in 3e at its beginning, and you can take them any time on your turn. A swift action is identical to a free...

To me, the reason why the 5e PHB needs to explain that you can move between attacks is not because they needed a sly way to insert an 'actions are indivisible' rule without making it obvious! Why? Why would they try to conceal a rule? No, the reason that movement between attacks needed to be...

To me, the reason why the 5e PHB needs to explain that you can move between attacks is not because they needed a sly way to insert an 'actions are indivisible' rule without making it obvious! Why? Why would they try to conceal a rule? No, the reason that movement between attacks needed to be...

Pedantic? I? I like your approach, but I disagree with your conclusion. Some actions are basically instantaneous. When you switch the light on, you either have or you haven't. But some actions are continuous, and if you start to do something but are still in the middle of doing it then you...

Pedantic? I? I like your approach, but I disagree with your conclusion. Some actions are basically instantaneous. When you switch the light on, you either have or you haven't. But some actions are continuous, and if you start to do something but are still in the middle of doing it then you...

But there IS a general rule that you can take your bonus action whenever you like, as soon as you actually have a bonus action. That, combined with complete silence on whether or not actions are divisible, leaves us only with 'take the bonus action when you like' rule. Not a valid answer. It...

But there IS a general rule that you can take your bonus action whenever you like, as soon as you actually have a bonus action. That, combined with complete silence on whether or not actions are divisible, leaves us only with 'take the bonus action when you like' rule. Not a valid answer. It...

If it's 'from the rules', could you give us the page number and provide a quote?

If it's 'from the rules', could you give us the page number and provide a quote?

The problem is that his own rules contradict what he just said about those rules (as soon as you 'take the Action' you ARE doing that thing), AND he's saying that this is the reason he's ruling this way. An observer notes that some of the actions happen as you take them, and some do not...

The problem is that his own rules contradict what he just said about those rules (as soon as you 'take the Action' you ARE doing that thing), AND he's saying that this is the reason he's ruling this way. An observer notes that some of the actions happen as you take them, and some do not...

So you agree that as soon as you execute the first of your two attacks of your Attack action that you have generated the bonus action shield shove and can take it any time you want, even before you execute your second attack?

So you agree that as soon as you execute the first of your two attacks of your Attack action that you have generated the bonus action shield shove and can take it any time you want, even before you execute your second attack?

I watched the whole thing. At no point did he discuss the relationship between 'taking a bonus action whenever you like, once you have one!' and Extra Attack. Discussing Shield Master, he said that you don't have the bonus action shield shove until you've actually attacked using the Attack...