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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I liked and respected GG, but what amazes me most while reading about him and D&D is that he made this game with all its potential for imagining and role-playing in whole worlds and planes of existence....but in practice it was all just background fluff for the actual game which was about...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Well, I have to admit that I have never heard of anything like that, despite playing 1e with many different groups between 1978 and when 2e came out. Did 2e have the same or similar rule?
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Up to the player. For example, my current 5e PC is a Bar3/War 6. Conceptually, this PC (soldier background) is completely civilised, never worn a loincloth in his life. It's just that he has....anger management issues! They stem from the circumstances of his birth which (briefly and tastefully)...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    No, I think you imagined that. I suppose it may be an optional rule hidden somewhere, but the actual multiclass rules were that:- * each (single class) PC has an experience point total gained from various adventuring activities * if you have 16+ in your class' prime requisite(s) then add 10% to...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    At its most basic, player agency is that players choose what their PCs do and what their personalities are like, the DM chooses what all the NPCs do and what they are like. Of course, the player can only choose the things the PC is actually able to do! The declared action, "I fly 60 feet up to...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Hello, Paul. Really? Please, explain! ;) ....errm...what? But in 1e/2e exactly the same thing happened! My Ftr/MU/Thf has the levels x/y/z. I go on a loooong adventure (because we levelled more slowly in those days) and did plenty of sneaking and casting and, okay, a bit of fighting, but...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Well...allow me to elaborate....:D Let's break it down:- * a game where multiclassing is banned. In such a game, the Pal/War isn't an issue that will arise. In that game, none of the classes is banned. Who gets to choose which class each player plays, DM or player? That's right, the player...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Player: I'm going to play a fighter this time. DM: It's unreasonable to bring such a character to me with the expectation it will be allowed! Bloody player entitlement! Players picking their own characters! Whatever next!
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    In previous editions, paladins could fall and lose their class abilities. We know this, because the rules said so. Rules As Written. But in 5e, such rules are conspicuous by their absence. The lack of such rules =/= these rules exist RAW, because Rules As NOT Written are not Rules AS Written...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    In a (real) world full of peodophile priests and scam-artist televangelists, suicide-encouraging imams and mutually-exclusive heresies, I can't remember a single instance of one being struck by divine lightning or losing their god-given 'class' abilities.
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    The point is that the multiclassing is not the problem; as illustrated by single class 5th level PCs being more powerful than multiclass ones, generally speaking.
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Two parents sell their baby's soul to a fiend, then leave her on the steps of a temple of Helm. The temple raises the child and trains her to be a paladin, but the fiend has its hooks in her. The fiend wants to corrupt the paladin, and one way to do that is to give her access to warlock powers...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    How would I find out? And if he did, he blocked me because of one post which said that I fundamentally disagreed with his stance on multiclassing? Seems an extreme reaction to a civilised post...!
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Sekyu, this was your reply to one of Ad Hoc's posts. My first post in this thread was a reply to an earlier Ad Hoc post. But now, I cannot find ANY of Ad Hoc's posts in this thread! What's going on?
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    Question: Nystul's Magic Aura-Mask?

    Nystul's Magic Aura can be cast in either of two ways:- 1.) False Aura: You change the way a creature or object appears to effects that detect magical auras, such as with the spell detect magic (Obviously). 2.) You change the way a creature appears to effects that detect creature types*, such...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I fundamentally disagree with your stance on multiclassing. Archetypes? I'll make my own damn archetypes, thank you very much! I'm not interested in playing a cardboard cut-out clone of everyone else's paladin (Where's your plate armour? You're not a real paladin without plate armour!)...
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    Social skills vs. ... all other mechanics

    I agree with all that. We role-play because we enjoy it. There are many different aspects of the game to enjoy, and each of us might enjoy some parts more than others. Some of us might enjoy the 'acting in character' part more than others. It is more obvious when using social skills; talking...
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    Multi classing Objections: Rules vs. Fluff?

    There's a misunderstanding. I've said what the good/bad divide is, and on which side of the divide the 'knee-jerk' lies. But I'm not accusing you, because you've shown that you do give it serious consideration, which is on the good side of the divide, even if you rule against me this time. Or...
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    Multi classing Objections: Rules vs. Fluff?

    I'm all for working together to try and make it fit. On these boards though, there's a lot of knee-jerk rejections, some so fast that the player is chastised for destructive behaviour before the word 'multi-class' has finished escaping their mouth! And, a divine background check? Sure, when you...
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    Multi classing Objections: Rules vs. Fluff?

    There are 'right' and 'wrong' ways for DMs to judge potential new MC PCs (any new PC, actually!):- Wrong: Player: "I want to play a multi-cl...." DM: "Stop right there! How dare you try to sabotage my campaign, you entitled snowflake!" Right: Player describes concept, both fluff and crunch...
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