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FWIW, I still don't like that part of it, because then I feel like kind of a dick for shutting down a major part of someones character. I would much rather have an ally that simply gives bonus movement/attacks, without requiring that the player of "leader" be the one to choose all of the actual...

I agree, that is certainly the question that should be asked. However, a relevant discussion-to-be-had does not make a poor argument into a good one. I have a slight twitch in my mind whenever I see a particularly poor argument/stance, and have a compulsion to poke at the holes I see. It is a...

Someone knowing they have been Marked is the difference between a ranger getting surprise or not. If they know something is fishy, they are already on guard. Also, Hex has out-of-combat uses, like cheating in competitions. Your target glowing with bright Hex-Fire will kind of give that away.

To preface what I am about to say, I am for Warlord inclusion. I am on your side, I just find this particular argument completely ridiculous. Have you read the PDK description in SCAG? It says pretty much exactly the same thing as Shadow Monk does about ninja. "Banneret serves as the generic...

You didn't seem that way at all. I was just mentioning that it would help with the whole "Wanna be a ranger, just play fighter" thing, not the main goal.

Ah, I see now. Thanks. I can see that point of view, but that does not change the fact that they are certainly comparable on at least one level. So, while I could agree that the Ninja argument would not hold as much water as the Warlord one, they are certainly both buckets of the same shape.

Ah, so not only did I fail my insight, I rolled a natural 1. My bad. Care to explain where I missed the mark in more simple terms?

It has not come up for me, but I would probably do (Casting stat)(Sleight of hand), rather than dex. An unobserved ranger, casting Hunters mark out of the shadows should not really use dex, I think. IMO, it should be affected by how good they are with their relevant casting skill.

I actually have slight plans for something similar to that kind of gauntlet. I am working on porting Grim Dawn (a CCRPG) over to D&D, and a lot of that game features fighting many enemies at a time. I thought it might be funny, once I get it done, to run my players through some old gauntlet...

This doesn't help me understand at all. Possibly rolled too low on my Insight to understand your analogy. Are you saying that Ninja/Warlord fit together, and people should stop telling fans of both that they don't need a new class? Or are you saying that Ninja/Warlord are separate, and should...

In my world, there was quite a large catastrophe. People of any race that allowed themselves to be pigeonholed into only 1 skill (Smart, strong, face, etc.) died from not being flexible enough to handle the new world in its entirety. The ones who remain come from flexible enough bloodlines that...

I am sorry but, from the outside, both of these arguments look exactly the same, practically to a word. People who don't particularly care about (Ninja/Warlord) telling fans of (Ninja/Warlord) That it is all right there, just needs some mixing together. People who want (Ninja/warlord) Saying...

because I am an honest person that knows how to laugh at myself. I wish I could laugh at my own posts...

ah, go ahead and laugh at me instead. I didn't check the time stamp, my bad.

BM has attack granting. PDK has inspirational buff skills. Both are considered important for Warlord, as far as I have read.

well, the next post is reserved for the first challenge, so I assume OP will be getting them all written out here over time.

I have no vote, but I am better the avenger dies first.

I have not done it yet, as my group does not play all that often. As it is, they don't care about what class is meant for which race, so the most I can say is that this will make it easier for them to do what they were going to anyway.

Allowing rangers to be good at what they are meant to be is just a side effect. My primary reasoning is that Expertise fits the ranger perfectly, since they are the only "expert" class that doesn't have it. All of the other classes are much more general in their total concept. The only other...

I am already going to be doing this, except it will instead be 3 floating points, to put wherever the player likes. My players are not the power gamer sort, so I am not worried about them putting all points in dex because "Uberstat". One of my players actually requested a flat -10 to ranged...