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Hehe, easy to do. IIRC the original Githyanki Gish from the 1E Fiend Folio were 4/4 Fighter/Wizards wearing medium armour & using greatswords so to me they'd be pretty different to Jedi which in D&D terms would be something like unarmoured defense sunblade users. But I get the psychic angle :)...

Thinking about how to do these subclasses, maybe the Battlemage Enhancements (like Artificer Infusions or Warlock Invocations) could be used give thematic support that's individual to the subclass? Like the Signs magic for Witchers, Force powers for Jedi, etc. They could have ranks and so...

Spell list looks good to me. What does this fighting style do ?

Cantrips - even though the main concept will be mixing it up in melee combat, do we want a couple of ranged options too ? How about dmg buff spells like Spirit Shroud ?

I love that you guys are going all-in on spell lists ! So awesome :-) Tinker, loving your work here. Some observations/feedback/questions: Overall - 100% agree also make avail to Wiz list. Arcane Lance - love the idea of casting as a bonus action if they take the Dash action. Would rather...

I started having a go here but I think other people have had some good ideas too ... what do you think ?

I'd love it if the mobility mechanic supported both a "teleport" type of playstyle like the 4e swordmage had, and a "mega jump" type of playstyle like a Jedi or wuxia style character. Unfortunately the jump rules and the Jump spell in this edition aren't anywhere near good enough to support...

I actually quite like that :)

My experience has been different I guess. There is one major aspect to the bladesinger that seems frequently overlooked: They are heavily reaction-constrained. You only get one reaction per round, so you can pick one out of the list of SoD, Absorb Elements, Counterspell and Shield, and once...

Absolutely, much easier to discuss specifics. Plus I think we've pontificated enough about the need for it and some generalities, that it's reasonable to proceed to proposing some details that we can thrash out. I'd be fine with that I'm not expecting complete balance at this stage of the...

I'm similar but I was getting the impression from earlier that you had something definitive stating that bladesinger was the most powerful in the game, and was hoping you might be able to link to it b/c I'd very interesting if there was something like this. You can use feats to give...

That's reasonable, I could support this.

Overall feedback before specifics: OMG. SO MUCH 🥰 for writing this up !! You rock :) Happy with the name and overall approach and it's certainly nice to have a detailed class write-up to critique. I would prefer a different term to "Mystic" as to me this has connotations more of the priestly...

Fair observation, but don't be discouraged 🤗 It seems to me that a vocal minority are doing that, but most people in this thread seem to be interested, engaged and supportive of the idea of finding/creating a balanced, fun, flavourful & "identitied" (oh yes, I'm sure that's a real word, thanks...

Hehe yeah, swordmage was hella fun :) Ok, what about this, if we're trying to get something somewhere b/w EK & bladedancer and somewhere in the vicinity of the artificer and/or swordmage, why not see if can't just smoosh together the existing abilities from those 4 and see what we can come up...

A few follow-on questions: Do you have substantiation for that claim ? They certainly rate well but no tier ranking I've ever seen has them the most powerful in the game. To me, Twilight / Peace cleric maybe, but Bladesinger ? Are you of the impression that people want something that is more...

LOL, I'm so sorry! No, not only was that not the thread I meant to post, but I then went MIA on top of it ! :rolleyes: Ahem, I'll try again. The post I mean to point to was this one: However, after that, Cap'n Kobold posted this excellent starter here. I think we could surely start with...

That's what I was starting the conversation with the post here

How would you create a paladin or cleric that could do the sorts of things a Jedi does?

Agreed that bladesinger seems the closest "as is" that we have available right now mechanically, but for many people it's not "fighter-y" enough and the EK isn't "magic-y" enough, so people are looking for something in-between. Both of those are also missing aspects strongly associated with...