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You could be right there. What about we assemble a starting list of the archetypes we need and see what that looks like? My initial thoughts are : • OD&D Elf race • 4e Assault Swordmage • 4e Shielding Swordmage • Jedi (Knight only? Consular? Sentinel?) • 3.5e dusk blade • The Witcher (?) •...

LOL touche!

Certainly for Assault Swordmages it was, yes. And to a lesser extent for others types too. I wasn't meaning to imply that the subclass would only influence weapon types and nothing else. I absolutely would want the subclasses to also add / modify other mechanics to create the flavour of that...

It doesn't have to, there is already a precedent for a subclass which comes online later and changes weapon usage (bladesinger). That said there is a also precedent for subclasses coming online at 1st level when it's core to the class concept (cleric). But I don't think the Swordmage subclass...

My preference I think is that weapon & armour choices would be influenced by the subclass. Eg. Subclass similar to / inspired by OD&D Elf race - lightly armoured (proper elven chain anyone?), long sword + short sword Subclass similar to / inspired by 4e Assault Sword mage - lightly...

Interesting, I must admit I always thought of the Gish / stabnerd identity was using magic to make one better at weapon fighting, but you're right, fighting against magic could also be a part of that concept. Example : a magic school would need guards, and it would be wise to teach those...

My initial thought was no way basing anything on Artificer/Battle Smith as it's thematically all wrong, but I'm starting to come around to agreeing with you and Cap'n Kobold that using it as a starting point might be the most expedient way to get something close to what we want to play...

For what it's worth, this was me for years but this thread inspired me to action. So last night I gave Owlbear Rodeo a go with my regular group.... And.... drum roll.... WE LOVED IT! They all agreed they thought it was brilliant, just what we needed and want to continue using it from here...

Unless of course you use the Arcane Grimiore from TCoE p121 (which I've only just discovered) which increases the spell slot levels you regain by 1 ... that might do it.

Fixt that for you :ROFLMAO:

Oh! I didn't realise that! Thanks 😁 But yes, would be nice I think.

Ok, I made a couple of simulators using your AC & Hp data for both BS & EK from your guide doc. Check it out here. Yellow shaded cells are parameters to vary the calculations (play with these), grey shaded cells are data input (eg from DMG tables), green shaded cells are calculation results of...

Wow, using that guys ratings, that places it higher than Persuasion & Stealth and with only Perception and Insight higher than it ??? It's hard to imagine a game like that resembling D&D ! I really need to read up on what it's going to involve !!

I'm new to A5e, so my rating isn't very important. Yours is. Would love to hear what it is.

Cool, is this something I can read up on yet or still to come further down the track ?

Ok, ultra-brief seems to be working.... Using this post as a reference, where would you rate Engineering ? I would've thought it was an 'F' or maybe a 'D', what do you see it as ?

Ok, ultra-brief then: please explain the rationale behind adding a niche skill which would only ever see at best infrequent use in play ?

Okaaay.... And is it ok to discuss, unpack, question, request more detail and clarity about these decisions and the thought-processes that went into them ? Or is that not what the deal is here ?

Oh ! Is it ? I'm so sorry if that's what's happened here, that absolutely was not my intention. If it's come across that way, go ahead and lock the thread. Apologies again.

It really was ! Oooh, a fellow Bab5 fan ! Niiiiice ! Oh yes, a thousand times yes, I often point to the shadows as a contempory example for my players of what happens when you make deals with demons :-)