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  1. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    I honestly a bit confused. I don't think I know what you're meaning so if you could rephrase I'll try to answer. I understand that such is possible, but I feel that the system was designed to put non-explicit actions as typically sub-optimal actions. That can be said for a lot of things...
  2. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    I wasn't aware that there was something about the existence of arcane lock as a tool that prevents the above from happening. I'm very surprised to find that when arcane lock existed that no one ever could (or did) conjure something in the door's space, get the rogue to lock it with thievery...
  3. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    This issue isn't that having the solve problem X right now and then using it is creative. The issue is that since you don't have the solve problem X right now spell right now you can't solve problem Y right now through a creative use of the solve problem X right now. The issue of creativity...
  4. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    When I think creativity, I think how can I take the vast multitude of parts available to me and build the Apollo 13. :devil: joe b.
  5. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    I just realized I should pull this out and expound a bit on my preference concerning gaming that may make my point of view a bit more understandable. I'd never say that someone's combat design makes me obscenely jealous. I'm not that interested in combat. To me, combats have absolutely no...
  6. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    I never had any scry/buff/teleporting issues in my games. It worked when it worked for the PCs and didn't work when it didn't. It's a good tactic, but so common that anyone with any ability has thought of countermeasures. I've never found skill challengess that interesting as they're something...
  7. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    You only had the resource at hand because you had prepped it beforehand. IMO, there's no material difference between what you did and what you would have done had you used a scroll or cast a memorized spell in 3e. Had you not the ritual (prep) and the components (prep) you couldn't use the...
  8. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    You still have to have a ritual and you still have to have the ritual components, and (if you're the wrong class) you have to have a feat - getting those things requires prep. In addition, if you want to use any rituals in combat, you absolutely must prep them beforehand, because you can't cast...
  9. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    Which is one of the cool things about 4e rituals. If you've got the right feat, you can use rituals. But it does require at least a feat for most classes, so it's not completely opened up. And there is a potential reduction in the ability to accomplish a task if that task is time specific while...
  10. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    Yes, it's a decent question, but to say that an unactualized potential means a lack of potential is greatly inaccurate. One is not more creative without something than one is with something - regardless if that creativity actualizes in an individual case - if for no other reason than that one...
  11. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    I don't think I'm understanding what you mean. In order to use waterbreathing, a 4e wizard most definitely must think ahead, not on his feet. Nothing's been moved from prep to play. The only difference between 3e and 4e waterbreathing prep-wise is the memorization of the spell for the day (which...
  12. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    The creativity induced by the lack of a tool should not be confused with the creativity allowed by access to a tool. Even when one has access to a tool, one can be just as creative as those who lack it while having all the additional creativity of having it by simply choosing to not use the...
  13. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    No, it limits creativity because any possible creative situation that could involve water breathing in less than 10 minutes cannot happen anymore. You can't have any creativity involving water breathing in less than 10 minutes. No more. All gone. Can't do that. Any "creative" response that...
  14. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    Perhaps we could Harrison Bergeron the players as well to get more creativity out of them. It's obvious that those who are hampered are more creative than those who are provided a wider array of useful tools. The guy with scotch tape has to be more creative than the guy with duct tape because...
  15. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    Yep. Rules are wave function collapses. Not that a I'm a quantum physicist (:)), but before a rule is stated there are more possibilities than there are after a rule is stated. Each rule may create new possibilities, but those tend to wave function collapse as well by the creation of even more...
  16. jgbrowning

    Differences between 1e and Basic?

    And there are differences between Holmes basic and Moldvey basic as well. There are a lot of different types of "Basic" D&D. :) joe b.
  17. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    Restrictions don't create creativity, they're just restrictions. Utility increases creativity. That's why we continue to have so many creative new things coming out of metallurgy and so few creative new uses for flint knapping. Don't bother responding. I won't respond to you. Just assume I'm...
  18. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    The unrestrained person can do the same thing the restrained person can, therefore the unrestrained can be just as creative as the restrained in addition to being able to be more creative in ways the restrained cannot. The unrestrained can say, I won't use my plant growth on anything but Oaks...
  19. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    False. Any point in this? joe b.
  20. jgbrowning

    Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

    Something that is useful under more conditions can have restraints put upon it by the user to exactly mimic the thing that cannot be used under as many conditions and thereby contains all the potential creativity of that restraint within it. Just. Stop. joe b.
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