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I don't think I need an argument for the obvious. Two exact spells: one cast in 1 round, one cast in 10 minutes. Which one allows for more creative uses? In what situation could the 10 minute version be more creative than the 1 round version. Even if one says, "With the added time restraint...

The rule of "This game is played with a DM" influences the creativity of a rules set, does it not? Is your argument that all rpgs are equally creative? If that's not what you mean, you agree with my saying that rules-sets do influence creativity and that some are more creative-inducing than...

Again, that's something that's not common in my experience. And anyway, how is that really a problem? Choosing to rest when there's no negative effects or risks in doing such doesn't seem like much a problem to me. joe b.

Well then, think of a situation in which casting waterbreathing in under 10 minutes (in a creative manner) is possible if you find my off-the-cuff example lacking. Use that situation as an example of creativity. I'll argue that one can be almost inherently more creative with something that has...

I disagree. Rule sets play large roles in determining the kind and type of creativity by which the tools provided by the rule sets can be used. As a silly example, chess allows for no creativity as concerns piece movement. joe b.

I guess we, unsurprisingly, have a difference of opinion. I view many of those spell clarifications as statements about corner-cases regarding power of an object rather than statements about cheesing encounters through creative use of said object. I've always let players do what they want. If...

We had different experiences. I guess my running a campaign where spells are only gained at level and by acquiring scrolls makes a big difference. Any that he doesn't have the right spells for? joe b.

The plastics for the machine seem pretty expensive. Something like $60 for 5 pounds. I'd suspect there'd be a lot of waste plastic in the production as well. That said, the idea that we may one day have an inexpensive 3d printer is cool! :) joe b.

Well, that concept would be pretty foreign considering the history of the magic in the game. To me, that's not an issue. It's really only a problem with a wizard with a large spell collection and time to prepare for the situation. He's a specialist's specialist with enough time, but for every...

When I say creative I mean available for use outside of the intended. I don't have a bunch of examples, because well, I'm not feeling creative right now. Something like using continual light to create a lure to draw up a big fish from the bottom of a deep river as opposed to using it as a light...

People have a social obligation not to be a jerk at the table. joe b.

I'd have to disagree. I think the intentional design of 4e is to reduce as many variables in spell-casting as possible to have only damage (or the removal of such), condition (or the removal of such), or movement (or the hindering of) effects. To simplify, if a spell doesn't do one of the above...

My edition isn't a tiny animal - it's Super Large baby, Super Large. joe b.

Well to be honest, those turtles tend to breed like rabbits. joe b.

Pa-shaw! Rolemaster wins the edition wars! It crits your favorite edition. Your favorite edition suffers massive brain hemorrhaging as it is liquefied. It falls to the ground, gurgles, and passes away ingloriously. Anyone want some jello? joe b.

The use of the word was in relation to something complex enough to require "a plan" in order to see if a challenge can be brought to a successful outcome in the players' opinions joe b.

I don't think one can separate creativity from spell casting because creativity exists with any tool. If spell casting contains no otherworldly effects, I'd argue it was spell casting in name only. Yes. Waiting 10 minutes reduces the interest, utility, and versatility of rituals. Waiting a day...

That's very possible. I've always been a fly by the pants DM who does very little prep, so that may be a facet I'm downplaying. I utterly agree. I think that such is a factor in the design, but such goals are almost always in opposition to providing enough fiddly bits to keep the players...

Designing a system to deliberately minimize creativity in response to challenges (because of the desires to see the challenge go as the creator of the challenge conceives) is poor design. Having encounters that don't "play out as planned" because of player creativity is a good thing. The...

IMO, the main problem with rituals is that they take at least 5 minutes (typically longer) to perform. They cannot be done in the heat of action and thusly have greatly reduced interest, utility, and versatility. For instance, were the casting time a single round, even the possibilities for the...