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  1. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    You really like to create the strawman argument. They do need to do something: To be treated like an adult you have to act like an adult. Respect is earned, no one said it was difficult to acquire though.
  2. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Players of course have the ability to tell the DM they are not having fun. However, unless you are setting up a safe zone free from criticism then there is the possibility that they will in turn be criticized back. It's just human nature. As for respect, basic respect should be given to most...
  3. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Magic item and identifying

    The current version seems more useful against magical traps and the like then magical items. Sure, knowing immediately what a magic item does can be useful. But I see the spell more about learning what a magical statue does, or a magical circle on the floor, or even an NPC that seems to be under...
  4. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Honestly, the posts you make are so long and you just take apart each sentence of my own posts that it is kind of difficult to get exactly what your point is. The analogies are not helping out and the examples of past characters that you and other people have mentioned don't aid in the...
  5. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    I'm just going to the answer and ignoring all the other tangent things in your post. Your solutions are to either change everyon'e characters to fit one player. So, this solution is basically punishing the rest of the group. Next you want to have one player change his character and say that...
  6. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Sorry, but it can make you look and sound petty and jealous. Especially when the complaint you see as 100% valid the rest of the table does not agree with. You remember that one time the cleric weighed with his mace and killed 6 goblins. But you forget the times that the cleric had to stay in...
  7. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Player Flavour, Skills, & Money Sinks

    No. you are trying to take a round peg and fit it into a square hole. 5e is not going to be for everyone and judging by this post it is not for you. Honestly, I'd go to a game that better serves your needs out of the box.
  8. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    The reason always matters. How can you solve a problem if you can't figure out the reason the problem exists? If the reason you are not having fun is because you feel Bob's character is outshining yours then it can make you look jealous and petty especially if the rest of the group does not see...
  9. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    This doesn't work because point buy only allows for stats between 8-15. 3 of 5 PCs in my group rolled a stat higher then 15, and 4 out of the f rolled something lower then 8. One guy is playing a mountain dwarf with a 5 Dexterity.
  10. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    That's up to the player to decide to pick a class that works for the attributes he has. It would be no different for a player that rolled a 16 strength and still went with a wizard. It is fair because all the players start with the exact same attributes. It is up to them to pick a race and class.
  11. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    For two reasons. I'm not convinced yet in 5e that all the classes are balanced against each other so I'm ignoring them in this exercise.. I do know that not all attributes are balanced against each other. Constitution is useful for everyone for hit points but only certain classes can take...
  12. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    If those are the starting stats and the player chooses to play a wizard then that was their own choice. We can't protect players from making these choices or at least we really shouldn't. I would argue that if those are the stats given the DM wants a party full of fighters and that can be a lot...
  13. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Does anyone go the extreme the other way from rolling? I'm not talking just point buy or even the standard array. But a set score for each stat so all characters before racial adjustments have the exact same stats in all attributes? This sounds like it would be most fair and balanced.
  14. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) So, what style of play is this called?

    We did something like this in college but less organized. I ran on Friday nights and a friend ran on Tuesday. We set the campaigns in the same world but not in the same place. The different groups did hear similar rumors and eventually heard of the exploits the other group was doing.
  15. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Not really. I've seen plenty of people talk about having PCs of a few level differences. I see at my own table. No, they don't. There is a method of play that just has encounters and does not assume that they are blaanced for the characters. This is seen in some sandbox campaigns but in others...
  16. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    This is an interesting statement. It assumes that all the characters of a party are always going to be the same level. It also assumes the DM is specifically crafting all encounters specifically for their level. It further assumes that the classes are balanced across level. I think there are...
  17. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Attunement

    The mixing potion table is one of the great things they brought back into the game.
  18. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Different people have their own threshold. I have seen players leave a game because the home the game is run at has children in it. Other times we have had players take a campaign off they were not interested in but also had busy lives outside of gaming. Sometimes it is better to not go to a...
  19. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Detect magic and Gargolye

    You are correct an elemental creature like a gargoyle does not radiate any more magic then my cat. To broaden the discussion one thing I like to do with creatures like gargoyles is never identify them as what they are. Describe them as statues coming to life and even if the players guess...
  20. Crothian

    D&D 5E (2014) Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data

    Yes, they do have a choice. It might be no gaming or bad gaming but they have a choice. You're right about one thing though. Some people have few gaming friends and they are unable or unwilling to find different people to game with. Some people do not have access to the internet or are unwilling...
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