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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    In what perspective, and why does that matter? You don't really get a need for this concept of canon until we're talking serials in multiple mediums, which really takes movies. Since the idea of canon came about with Sherlock Holmes, the idea is as old as the subject it's talking about...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    Not living in a jungle near you. The Roman Empire had plenty of bad guys and yet Rome had about a million peaceful people in it. Many settings have civilizations in them that couldn't survive if their peaceful farmers couldn't peacefully deliver food to the cities on a daily basis.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    How about if you can't handle criticism of the Forgotten Realms, you don't read a thread titled "Why FR is Hated"? Should we shut down RPGGeek and BoardGameGeek and IMDB because any comments about how Monopoly or Ghost Dad weren't good are crapping on other people's good times. Criticism will...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    Historically, archaeologists are a recent phenomenon, and either got out of the way of violent people or had armed people trained in violence surrounding their camp. Archaeologists were not warriors, and when they were rescued, were rescued by military, not archaeologists. That's an...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    In real life, from archaeologists who leave town when the Nazis or rebels with AK-47s show up. Or, in many cases, die or get taken hostage. Very few real-life archaeologists have any skill in jumping onto a moving tank, unlike Indiana Jones. I'm not saying that there are no adventuring NPCs, but...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    Liking a setting doesn't give you the right to tell people they're not liking a setting for the wrong reasons. You want to say that when I don't like FR due to Elminster that I'm reading him wrong, you have every right to get the response "no, you're reading him wrong".
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    So the problem with the Indiana Jones movies is that there were archaeologists in academia in the movies instead of Indiana Jones having to face off with Montana Jones and Mississippi Jones at every dig site? PCs should be adventuring, and maybe some evil NPCs should be out there adventuring...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    So you come onto a thread about "Why FR is hated" and when people say it's because of how the high-level NPCs are portrayed in the books and how they think they would logically behave in the games, you tell them they're all wrong, and they're the one's breaking basic gaming etiquette. Shouldn't...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    Why should they be unique? Why shouldn't adventuring clerics be rare? Why shouldn't adventuring wizards be mostly escapees from the the apprentice system? There's a lot of possible choices here, more than just "the only way to raise levels is to get XP the same way PCs do." (And that is one...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    Right, fantasy Egypt and fantasy Ireland are what is distinctive about the Realms. Elminister is hardly the same as Raistlin; one's an all-good wizard with great stats whose in bed with the Gods (literally), and the other is a neutral hero turned evil known for his lousy health who killed the...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    The idea that you can get more powerful just by killing a bunch of things makes sense from a gaming perspective for the PCs, but not necessarily from the world perspective. Why should a cleric get better spells because they beat up some orcs? How does a mage learn the mysteries of the universe...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    I read that Daniel Boone killed a bear when he was was only three, but that didn't happen, either. And, yes, in the fiction, Elminister did adventure, but that doesn't mean other high-level NPCs adventured. That's interesting; other people are saying that people can just remove Elminister from...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    I don't. But when you say Forgotten Realms, that's what comes to mind; that's what colors everything to come. I'm not sure anything you can do can really avoid that. You've invoked a name with a lot of connotations along; you can't really pick and choose which ones come.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    There's a key problem with this whole post. Elminster didn't do anything. NPCs don't get high-level by adventuring; they get high-level by someone writing a number in a field. I see nowhere it says they have to have an adventuring backstory, and one of the 20th level characters in ECS was 11...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Elminster_Aumar says that Elminster is alive in 1491 DR (from the Death Masks novel by Greenwood), and http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Forgotten_Realms says the 5E Adventurer's League started in 1489 DR, so no, Elminister is not dead. And MaxPerson...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    So, in other words, you aren't interested in understanding why other people have problems. That sentence is silly. You can't claim something relevant to the idea, and by using the word "somehow" say you don't know what's relevant to the idea. The issues is some players want to play in a world...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    If the question were, why does WotC and Paizo only support one setting, these would be relevant. But it wasn't. It was why do people ask WotC to support more than one setting and not Paizo. I think my answer and the other answers answer that sufficiently.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    It is a thread titled 'Why FR is "Hated"', after all.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    That's a non-sequitur. I don't care about the NPCs who aren't mentioned in the source material. They may exist in your version of the setting, but they don't exist in mine, and probably won't exist in the minds of my players. Elminster wouldn't be as much of a problem if he wasn't one of the...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why FR Is "Hated"

    In the hardbacks, traits appear in APG pages 326-333. At no point in that section do they mention Golarion. They do spend about a page on traits for one of the author's campaigns, that was published as Rise of the Runelords. They also spend a page on religious traits, that mention the gods but...
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