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If you do that, I would like to point out that Bladesinger/Arcane Trickster is a really good multi class. It stays very close to a full Rogue in damage output due to the SCAG cantrips scaling with char level (and to some extend the extra attack feature) but gets full casting and better defences...

Oh, sorry, you are right. It doesn't quite work the way I thought it would. It still very punishing for moving opponents because the opportunity attack would deal boatloads of damage. The reaction attacks still deal extra sneak attack damage. Triggering the sneak attack damage shouldn't be too...

As I pointed out, they certainly are circumstantial. This goes even further for the AT: The second attack for the Arcane Trickster means another chance to place those sneak attack dice. This may lead to the second attack statistically dealing more damage, especially vs high AC foes (this effect...

Since I have spent some time optimizing an AT, I would like to add that Greenflame Blade is really good for rogues. I think it deserves special mention when discussing cantrips and elves :)

I'm sorry, my brain blooped. I was calculating Greenflame Blade damage but somehow wrote Booming Blade :/ At level 5, Booming Blade should add 2d8 on trigger though.

I mostly agree. But I also think that the milestone features of the AT are generally better then the EK's for BS multi classes (maybe not so much when only dipping two levels for bladesong but I would argue that a shield or GWF and being human would be better). Redundancy certainly plays into...

Greenflame Blade adds 2d8 at lvl 5, 11 and 17. It does need a second foe though. AT level 5, a Booming Blade* EK with 18 dex/str and 16 int does 3d8+9=22.5. With extra attack he does 2d8+12=21 At 11 it is 3d8+19 vs 5d8+10, which is exactly the same. This is with a Longsword/Rapier and Dueling...

The thing with extra attack and Greenflame Blade/Booming Blade is, that those cantrips generally scale as well as extra attack. There may be slight differences depending on the build but as a general rule, SCAG make extra attacks mostly unnecessary. They become a fallback option when a cantrip...

I tinkered with a lot of "gish" builds over the past few days and I too like the Trickster/Bladesinger very much. The damage is decent, spells known are comparable to a full wizard and the defensive capabilities are great. When you start to fall off significantly in spell power, you start to...

Yes, but that misses the ability score improvement at EK 8. Sure, you get it at BS 12 but that's quite a few levels later in the actual build progression and the EK/BS prurpose is to use the ASI. So that net's trading a spell level vs Eldritch Strike. I prefer Eldritch Strike but that is...

Because the extra attack feature doesn't scale as well as War magic :)

The builds I was tinkering with where Eldritch Knight/Bladesinger (aiming at 10/10) and Arcane Trickster/Bladesinger (aiming at 12/8). Both will have higher spell slots and only wizard spells. The usual scenario is 3rd or 4th level spells and 5th or 6th level slots for levels 10-15 (+1 to all if...

Thanks for your assessment Treantmonk! I'm not trying to say that blasting is a particularly good use of spell slots for Wizards. I don't even think it is a good use of spell slots for most casters. But there are not too many alternatives if you multi class and want to get something out of...

Another thing while looking at possible spells to scale: During my search I stumbled upon erupting earth. My math reaches another conclusion then yours: The expectancy value of the d12 is 6.5. Calculating with that I get 19.5 base damage scaling at 6.5 dmg per level. The fireball scales at 3.5...

I am currently tinkering with possible Eldritch Knight/Bladesinger builds. This is somewhat offtopic because it is really about gish builds but there is also a guide to Bladesingers in the first post. Has anyone done the math on damage output with various EK/Bladesinger variants? I would love...

Thank you for that input! It changed my own oppinion of the spell from sky blue to green. I think Phantasmal Force is still green because it is only second level and targets a very weak save. Targeting int means it is often more of a 20% risk chance you take that nothing happens, not a coin...

There is sage advice explicitly stating that creatures can be blinded by the spell. I second that. I do think some DMs might argue that the T-Rex might have other things on his mind though. The bag is just a standard catch all idea, there are often more potent ways to hinder creatures. I would...

Thank you for your reply! Your example is not exactly what I thought about. I am too lazy to actually count the intelligence scores of monsters by CR but there really are a lot of very dangerous unintelligent (3 or less) monsters in the MM. If you look at an 18 int wizard at level 5, making...

Hey Trentmonk, there have been a lot of posts after the last time you visited. I would love to know what you think about my examples for Phantasmal Force: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?450158-Treantmonk-s-Guide-to-Wizards-5e/page40&p=7007704&viewfull=1#post7007704

Yes there is, that statement was meant metaphorically and in context of: because many creatures will have very little chance if making that save. I edited the post a little to make that clear :)