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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Did you not read any of my posts in which I said that this is not a game about solving puzzles or overcoming GM-authored challenges so as to get to the "finish line"? Anyone who is playing MHRP and thinks this seems to be as confused as a person who turns up with their bag of dice to a chess...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I have dug down, and have offered a diagnosis. You apparently reject it because it's "sanctimonious". But anyway, here are two resolution systems: *In classic D&D dungeon-crawling - I'm thinking Ghost Towers of Inverness, or Tomb of Horrors, or anything like that - we work out whether or not...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Sure. But I'm not the poster you need to take that up with!
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Players declare actions to confer benefits on their PCs all the time. The runes case wasn't mechanically easier than any other candidate action: it had a cost in the action economy the same as any other action declaration would have had; it required the player to roll their dice pool against...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Aren't you a proponent of abstraction? I take it, then, that you don't have @Maxperson's objection to the Cunning Expert PC build element.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You are asserting that you can tell me how your rogue climbed the wall. But you can't! All you can say is that, because the rogue is a good climber, they were able to climb the wall. Cunning Expert d8.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What handholds did your rogue use? Which fingers? What sorts of grips? How did they use their legs, vs their arms and shoulders? I've never seen a climb resolved in a RPG which specified any of these things. Likewise, I've never seen a fight resolved in a RPG which specified the exact position...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The GM calls for a WIS (Perception) check. The player fails, and so their PC fails to notice something. The GM narrates that as "While you were <doing X?" or "Because you were <distracted by Y>". The PC's activity, which explains why they didn't notice the thing in question, is introduced into...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    See, I generally prefer more simulation that D&D offers, which is one reason why I play and enjoy Burning Wheel and Torchbearer 2e. Then I get told they're not simulationist, whereas D&D is! Given that both systems have bucketloads of process sim (in PC build, in action resolution) compared...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What swing? What damage? I mean, two 10th level fighters duel. They have (say) 90 hp each. The player of one rolls a successful hit, and 5 points of damage. Now the other fighter has 85 hp left. What task did that fighter succeed at? Gygax, in his DMG, expressly says that the rules don't say...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Don't they? Then how do you explain Tomb of Horrors? Or if you want something more grounded: why wouldn't (say) a burial chamber have runes that indicate it is (or at least once was) a burial chamber, which would permit an expert to identify it as a burial chamber, thus enabling the expert to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I made this same point upthread, in relation to Perception checks and surprise mechanics. The reason it doesn't get commented on is the same as the reason that no one objects to "retro-causally" narrating sharp rocks, crumbling rocks, poorly-tied knots, etc. It's because the GM is doing it and...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That your complaint, as best I can tell, is simply that the player rather than the GM established some fiction. How is it free? And what is your objection to players doing helpful things, by declaring actions for their PCs?_ (Also, the PC didn't leave the dungeon. As I've already posted, the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    How does you thief climb to the top of the wall? Or your fighter beat the Orc? All you can point to is that they are skilled thief or a skill climber. You don't actually know what they did to succeed. But all "more hit points, damage output and accuracy" means is that they are, mechanically, a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This is a point I've been making on these boards for years now.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    There is no divergence. The character wants to read the runes, having conjectured that they may reveal a way out, and hoping that they do. The player wants to read the runes, hoping that they will reveal a way out, and knowing that there is a chance - based on the resolution of their declared...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And? An 8th level fighter is able to beat Orcs because they're a good fighter. And they're a good fighter because they're a good fighter. No player of a fighter has to specify, in play, all the moves they make; has to factor in descriptions of what the Orc is doing, and respond to it. Or think...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    "Justified by the fiction" here just seems to mean "authored by the GM" or "following more-or-less directly from something authored by the GM".
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I am using the terms in the only sense I'm familiar with: In Actor stance, a person determines a character's decisions and actions using only knowledge and perceptions that the character would have. In Author stance, a person determines a character's decisions and actions based on the real...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Your post just upthread of this one, together with the rest of this post, strongly imply that this is exactly the issue: I mean, you use the language of "cheating" and "get out of jail free" - your whole complaint is about the way the challenge is structured and overcome. You are not factoring...
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