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I'm not really clear on simulating a world independent of the players. If the 4th wall is not being broken, then necessarily the fictional world is independent of any and all real people, isn't it? If the players have no authorial control/influence other than the actions of their PCs, that's...

In this mode of play, isn't the character detail often mechanical rather than significantly fictional? I'm also not sure how important it is for the GM to have the characters in mind before play. AP-type play is probably a fairly typical instance of the mode of play you're describing, and the...

I'm not sure what you mean by "association" here: the MHRP example of the reading of the runes is a mechanic that is associated with things that are diegetic: the PC's traits (as per my post of the PC sheet upthread); the Scene Distinction (Strange Runes). And also with things that are not...

I've taken their claims that it is not simulationist - and related descriptions like "quantum runes" - to be more than just first person expressions of preference.

You said that authorship is "when they change the imagined world other than from within it" - and so I assumed that descriptions of character actions wouldn't count, as those are changes that result from the position and capabilities of the character within the fiction. If you include things...

I dunno. But there seem to be multiple posters in this thread who think that the player having the capacity to be the one who establishes these elements of backstory is at odds with simulation: @Micah Sweet, @The Firebird, @Crimson Longinus, @FrogReaver, I think @Maxperson and possibly @Enrahim...

I'm not sure how this relates to failure. Nor do I see how this shows that the d20 roll is a representation of anything.

What process?

Which RPG are you talking about? With the climb rules for 5e D&D (based on a STR (Athletics) check) how do we see the character climbing? What do they do? How do we know whether they made it part way up and fell, or whether they couldn't work out a way to even start the climb?

There are no trucks without the sun. But the sun is not a part of any truck - it is 10s of millions of kilometres away from all of them. There is no imagining of Frodo without a person to imagine him. This does not make readers of the LotR part of the story. (And thinking otherwise will cause...

Unrelated - isn't gunpowder in Greyhawk verging on heresy? (Unless you're Murlynd!)

Nor are many of the words that the players speak, like "I [as my PC] turn around." No in the fiction hears those words spoken. As I posted not far upthread, this is a recurring source of confusion and tension in RPGing, when the GM asks the player "Did you really say that?" The stuff that is...

I wasn't talking about the film Arachnophobia, though. I was talking about a GM having prepped their material, and their prep doesn't mention cobwebs. And then a player asks "Are there cobwebs on the ceiling?" The answer, in accordance with Sorensen's principle 3 which requires all additions to...

Are you saying that a module like ToH is a simulation? If so, I don't agree. Are you saying that running a module like ToH can be a simulation? If so, I've got some doubts based on my own experiences of running bits of ToH adapted to RM, and also based on my own experiences of running the...

It's not about pedantry. You're assuming a map-and-key-esque approach to play, similar to a D&D module. And your questions don't really make sense for the MHRP approach. I mean, unless you're asking something like "If I told the players 'You see a sign saying <stuff>', would that fiction be...

I'm not sure how your author/actor/audience distinctions relate to diegesis. For instance, a player pretends to be a person in the imagined world. And then says "I turn around to see what's behind me." Those words are not diegetic, that is, the imaginary person is not saying them. But they do...

I didn't miss it. I have read that, and the Wikipedia page that I linked to not far upthread, and also things like the following, from an OUP Dictionary of Media and Communication": 1. A narrative world. 2. (film theory) The spatio-temporal world depicted in the film. Anything within that...

Examples would help here, because I'm not sure if the things you're thinking of are the things I'm thinking of; but I don't think I agree. Following Vincent Baker and Emily Care Boss, I will call those real world occurrences cues. A cue can prompt game participants to accept something as part...

Thanks! To build on it: is the use of the reaction roll to establish backstory seen as a concession to playability, or a good/creative thing? It's hard for me to recall my beliefs/orientations of 30+ years ago, but I tentatively suggest that in RM play it would be considered a concession...

This doesn't conform to Sorensen's principle 3, though. Which was my point. The offscreen is, by definition, not part of the diegesis. it hasn't been narrated.