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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And as you know, I find your play too much of a railroad.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What does necessity have to do with it? Not everyone who plays RPGs wants to engage in nothing but map-and-key play. It's not some bizarre deviance from an obvious norm.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not talking about preferences. I'm talking about accurate description. I mean, if I said that I find your game silly because in your game fighters kill Orcs by rolling polyhedral dice, I'm guessing you'd object. (I'm also a bit puzzled that you take my reply to @Micah Sweet to be addressed...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    To me, it's not evident, given that multiple posters keep asserting what is false, namely, that the character caused the runes to mean one thing rather than another by hoping.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'd say also their cognitive state (using that phrase loosely, to encompass imagining X as well as believing X, conjecturing X, etc). And a bit more on this issue: Suppose that you are looking at a celestial body, and conjecture "That's the morning star." Given that the morning star is the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Obviously they don't. What makes you think I haven't worked that out? So you really are incapable of understanding play using methods different from your own? You're like a soccer fan who literally can't grasp how players of American football aren't cheating every time they pick up and carry the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In MHRP specialities are chosen from a list. Distinctions are free descriptors. The specialties in my Fantasy Hack are: Acrobatics; Arcana; Combat; Crafting; Cunning; Healing; Intimidation; Lore; Outdoor; Performance; Religious; Riding; Social; Trading Drawing the boundaries is, in my...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The player didn't change the state of the fictional world. The fictional world was in a constant state - there were runes before the PC read them, and runes after, and what they mean didn't change.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Obviously those are not the only possibilities. How do you know? What is the character seeing? What does the character know, from their travels? I know that you prefer a game where the player has to ask the GM to tell them what their PC knows and remembers, because you find that more immersive...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Given that what you call a "quibble" is fundamental to any coherent discussion of imaginary things then yes, I am "quibbling" about it. I mean, there are a billion posts in this thread asserting that the fiction has content and consequences and generates entailments that no one has thought of...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Huh? What is confusing about this: Maybe you're not familiar with the class D&D thief tropes? My table is.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I denied what you said. You said " hence there was a causal relationship between character hope and meaning of runes that did not have a pure in-fiction counterpart." There is no such causal relationship. The character's hope has no causal relationship to the meaning of the runes. I have no...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Says who? Where is this definition found? is it some new bit of jargon?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not sure what the "one" is - do you mean the impersonal third person? Anyway, what prompts the player to declare an action is the social circumstances of play, together with the knowledge that (i) the PC has a Lost in the Dungeon complication, and (ii) the GM has just mentioned Strange...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Why would it be? Or to put it another way: why would the character assume things are not possible - unless the player is in author stance, trying to solve the GM's puzzle?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not sure where "map" is coming from. There's been ample discussion, upthread, of the many ways that runes might reveal a way out. Gandalf identified the Chamber of Mazarbul, and then was able to work out the way out. Without ever finding a map. As for the other epistemic states, the player...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    None of this is true. Actor stance requires what it say: that the action is declared drawing on the mental states of the character, rather than for some other reason to which the player then retrofits the PC's mental states. Here, the reason the action is declared is because the character...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Gygax explains it in his DMG, p 20: This ability assumes that the longuage is, in fact, one which the thief has encountered sometime in the past. . . . Even if able to read a language, the thief should be allowed only to get about that percentage of the meaning of what is written as his or her...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Every RPG player has the ability to "shape the fictional reality" (= contribute to the authoring of a fiction). As far as "decision space" is concerned, maybe you're using that in some jargonistic sense that I'm not familiar with? The decision I am talking about is the player's decision to have...
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