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This is the only place I've seen anyone characterize PF2 as being like 4E. Some of you are working very, very hard to make that comparison. I'll just say one last time I don't see it. I don't feel that way at all. The people that left 4E to play PF have not mentioned such a comparison. It seems...

5E consolidated skills as well. Consolidating skills is not a 4Eism. It's smarter game game design that needed to be done for a while. Moving to a proficiency modifier based on level with some variation due to variation proficiency modifier is a PF2 concept. Don't remember this from 4E or 5E...

None of those were remotely like the 4E push and pull abilities. Those are more like already existing PF mechanics. What game are you coming from? Most of what you listed already existed in the PF rules. Pack tactics is a 5E ability. In 4E controllers and tanks had move the target abilities...

Having played the PF Playtest, there were not any movement based abilities like that, at least not that any of my players used. The knockbacks and pulls of 4E were not used in the playtest. I recall the 4E positioning abilities of the controller classes and the tanks, I did not see those in the...

I played 5E for over a year, 4E for maybe 4-6 months, and Pathfinder since it's been out. PF2 seems to have drawn far more from 5E than it has drawn from 4E. I'm hearing it drew from some other game systems not even associated with D&D. I'm not sure why the mental connect with 4E is there given...

Horsechopper always seemed like a goblin halberd, so not surprised it gives reach. Some people are working real hard to get people to see PF2 as 4E when it's pretty obvious it's far more like 5E. That goblin ability looks more like the goblin ability from 5E where they escape attack than a 4E...

I ordered from Amazon. I think only Paizo pre-orders have the books. I heard they created some 10 minute rest powers like a 5E short rest. It will be interesting to see how they work. I don't recall the 10 minute rest power points being part of the play test. It seems good for healing. Given...

Yes. And the rounds were nothing like PF2 in the original release version. If some change came later, then it was nothing I experienced. The original game was move, use one of your powers, and perhaps a minor action. If that's what you mean by three actions, then every single game system since...

Did you notice some abilities that seemed like overpowered options? We played eight classes. We found that the martials did more damage than caster cantrips. Casters had a few tricks to make up for this with spells. Overall all the martials were about equal in power. The options were all very...

It does not sound like you played 4E from your description. There was no optimizing for a 3 action round or anything of the kind. 4E had basic attacks which you could use all the time, encounter powers you could use per encounter, and dailies. Your actions were decided by those abilities along...

I'm not sure this is true yet. We were able to make characters more quickly in PF2 than in PF1 and get started. Bonuses were very simple. Feats very simple. Everything was simplified and progression slowed. You no longer for example have monks starting off with 2 or 3 feats depending on race...

We didn't mess with the skill system too much in the playtest. I'm interested to see if PF2 increases the effectiveness of skills. The skill feats did not seem great at first glance, but when you only play to 5th level it's hard to see. Maybe some of the higher level skill feats are more...

We're calling preferring a different way of playing D&D pride and resentment? Really? I gave 4E a shot. I didn't like it. So I moved to Pathfinder. I tried 5E. I thought it was ok and liked a lot of the mechanical changes, but boring to me. I stuck with Pathfinder. I always give D&D systems a...

I don't agree. Spell durations are exactly like 5E. Powers are still very 3E like providing unique bonuses and not necessarily doing damage. Heightening is exactly like 5E which 4E did not have. There are no encounter powers. It's nothing like 4E. If you have played 4E, then you know it did not...

Not to mention many design goals were centered more around abilities appropriate to the concept they were building regardless of whether they were balanced against other abilities. I prefer creativity and appropriateness over balance myself. I thought PF and 3E did a great job of making many fun...

Fighter is apparently a lot better in PF2. My buddy is saying it's a powerful class now. We shall see. I know magic is weaker overall much like 5E. Set durations and saves are much tighter in this edition. No more +6 and +12. Spells aren't as powerful. The overall effect seems to have brought...

PF1 produced a lot of subpar options and options that were far too good. Nature of game design. 5E has them too, just not as many. Every edition had rules options that were awful or too good. It's hard to hit that sweet spot.

I think some players enjoy that style of play. My friends who are my players definitely fall into that category as do I. Lots of options, rules, strategies, and a stronger emphasis on pseudo-reality appeals to some of us. I think 5E is a good game. I don't actively dislike it like I did 4E. I...

We'll see. So far not much to min-max with compared to PF1. But min-maxers will min-max any game. Min-maxing isn't based on game system, it's based on player. I haven't seen a game a min-maxer couldn't push to its limits and often beyond.

I quit 5E because it bored me. After playing 3E and PF1 with all the options and interesting interactions, going back to 5E was like playing basic D&D again. I feel 5E accomplished what it set out to do taking the game back to its beginnings, but I've found I've gamed enough where I want a game...