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PCs consume potions between waves. Allow PCs to take have a weapon sundered, armour damaged, gain a lingering injury or level of exhaustion to prevent x amount of damage. Draw up a table if need be. Each wave earns the PCs a Desperation Die (Inspiration) at the end which they must utilise in...

As a Mystara-fan you're speaking my love RPG language! :ROFLMAO:

Pemerton can you please illustrate what you mean here by providing a simple example to highlight how these different GMing principles may play out at the table... traditional GM will make a decision on an outcome to ensure consistency; and BW GM will play out the same example but respond to...

I bring up an aspect of the game which I desired but which was largely absent in its 50 year history and how some other games prioritize that and you reply referencing force directly and indirectly multiple times. If someone were discussing how D&D doesn't cater for low level magic play but...

In my games YOU (as player) always decide if the character you started out with their core beliefs and values remains or changes based on the tests you face within the fiction. I (as DM) don't force change on you, never. I test the flaws and convictions you chose and attempt as best I can to...

Wonder all you like, these were my friends in high school and thereafter. We liked the same movies, the same books had similar hobbies. I wasn't picking randos. Fact is the game did not incentivise and therefore a particular style of play emerged because of that. So I'm describing what...

We're 50 years in... That's fair. I'm sure there were other games but unfortunately I wasn't exposed to them. D&D, Rolemaster, VtM, Fate and a handful of others. I only got a copy of Pendragon in the last few years.

What frustrated me (particularly in the early years) was that it was possible for a player to downplay the emotional and character development side of their character because that portion of the game did not include mechanics and had no effect on any of the play priorities of the game. I enjoy...

I have not played it although I have acquired the edition before this new shiny one. It really looks like quite a bit of fun. I'd need to watch a few videos to get the hang of how to run it effectively before giving it a go. I still feel I'd likely botch it. :ROFLMAO:

So all three of us play Sandbox. I agree with your assessment of the Living World model* which runs differently to Max's Reactionary Living World model. However you and Max are more in agreement in keeping meta knowledge out the game whereas I do tend to inject player facing mechanics here and...

We're arguing over whether this debate is poster driven or as a result of the forum Setting via GM Morrus. And it's all immersively real. Don't you dare imply any part of it is less real than the other.

Well, this is what I was attempting to get at. The conversation between myself and @Maxperson was not about some sense of realism but how much of a driving force a GM has via the Setting. He doesn't view the Setting as a driving force. Max adjudicates strictly via reaction according to him, any...

That is fair. If none of those and events of similar nature occur from GM bias (for lack of a better word), then I agree your Sandbox is player driven.

@payn was very specific, one emoji doesn't excuse, but more than 1...well the verdict is still out.

Can the GM cause the pirate crew to plan a mutiny due to the creation of a GM NPC pirate with a backstory and ambitions? Can the GM cause the pirate crew to be hunted by a sea captain due to the creation of a GM NPC who has ambitions to become admiral, in order to be worthy to marry one of the...

Well that could work theoretically but what has been documented to provide results is a big green gem embedded into one's chest.

What I'm attempting to say is you've reduced player driven to player participation in order to prove that the setting does not play a role.

@Maxperson, in a Sandbox the idea is a Living World exists. It is not a Living World if the PCs can act like furniture.

So, by this definition a Railroad = a Linear = a Sandbox = PbtA are all player driven.

The way I see it is the setting around them changes due to certain events happening, example a bunch of APs/modules are happening in the background and their unfolding stories could affect the direction and quests taken up by the PCs. How many people run sandbox this way, I dunno - I do, so you...