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Our current experience reflects the campaign to be sandbox, but the Adventure Paths that are merged within the campaign, which has other player-driven story tangents as well, follow a predominant linear design, but not entirely as it depends on the AP. Are there incidents of railroad, for sure...

5e is a very different beast to 1e 15th level rogue 8d6 sneak attack 15th level paladin 5d8 smite 15th level cleric sacred flame cantrip 3d8 If you're of the Knowledge or Light domains this become 3d8 + Wis Mod (Potent Spellcasting) If you're of the Life, Nature, Tempest, Trickery or War...

Oh I was not implying anything of the sort. My comment was merely to engage how much empathy does @clearstream expect players to have for 2 door wardens who are there to fulfil a cinematic moment - whether they had 1 hit point or 50 hit points, the empathy should not be dependent on the number...

Ah I missed that, I was referring to your example with Cronut the Barbarian (posts #22009 and #22010)

Fair enough. For me, an ogre is an ogre is an ogre - some have skill sets that are different and they have been labelled differently for identification reasons as they have different purposes within the game. Same way in RL we have a plumber, a hair stylist and a librarian - these are the same...

I have to wonder how that scenario would play out in 5e using the rules (no homebrew either on the side of the PCs or the monsters).

I'm of the opinion minions can be used for both. In @Umbran's example they serve primarily if not solely as narrative set pieces. In my next session's battle they'll be part of a mass combat encounter, and identified as minions, with less focus on their narrative role, but rather serve as...

A PC cannot 1-shot an Ogre easily. The minion with the DT can be 1-shotted. The point being that the attack needs to do a minimum amount of damage so there has to be some effort required by the PC. And it comes down to taste - so if I remove the DR completely you can imagine a wizard extending...

Thank you will check it out. Then this part of our conversation is over - but do remember you responded to me. I have been pretty transparent in this thread in how I would mechanically handle minions in 5e. My appreciation of the 4e minion concept or anything else from any edition doesn't mean...

Do not agree and you have left a lot of straw lying around to be picked up. Show me how mathematically? How do you know what Damage Threshold a minion ogre in MY 5e game would be? Because that is what you are responding to, right? My words were ...but not for how I see them being implemented...

So we agree

You asked me about the designers intention which I have no idea on. Whether I have used them or not I still could only guess on the designers intention. For the record I have used minions in the past and I intend to in the future to stream line higher level play. I do not buy into the...

Agreed. My old MMs are as valuable as the current MM. I wasn't making that argument LOL!!!. My table's 5e dragons are feared, not only by farmers with crossbows but by high level adventurers.

White Dragon ANCIENT 18AC no dexterity bonus Red Dragon ADULT 19AC no dexterity bonus Roper 20AC dexterity penalty (AC is actually 21 then)

Good grief if Daenerys had the type of dragons as statted by 5e she wouldn't have been able to take over Mole's Town nevermind Kings Landing.

Behir - created as weapons vs dragons, lightning breath, decent natural armour Umber Hulk - carapace excellent natural armour Bulette - excellent natural armour ...Etc We will have to agree to disagree as I feel I'd have to change all the above monsters for logical parity. Some of them don't...

Agree. Quite often I use weight, reach, resistance, immunity, supernatural abilities etc from 3x to modify 5e monsters. We already have touch attacks for ethereal (bypassing normal armour/shields) and halving magical armour/shields AC benefit).

A dragon is "natural" it is not ethereal (like undead), it isn't from another plane of existence (fiends) and it isn't held together by magic. If giants don't need magic weapons to be hurt I don't see why dragons would. I would love to know what logic you have for dragons needing magical weapons.

I would have gone with damage reduction (ala heavy armour mastery feat) or damage threshold. I don't see the reason why a dragon should be immune to non-mag weapons. In fact I do do that for my own campaign.

It was tongue-and-cheek, but I strongly suspect Lanefan would actually enjoy our table, despite the differences we have in playstyles.