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So the comment you're responding to is that the DC20 changes have the potential to take 5E turns and make them even longer. Not sure how your response contributes to a discussion of that opinion.

Using misinformation (whether intentional, or more likely, through uneducated enthusiasm) to advance that negativity.

Maybe there have been, but many have not. Let me rephrase: that is not really the focus of the pushback.

Interesting language games? How so? Edited for clarity.

Not really what's happening, but I appreciate the sentiment.

I think if you take the stance that the folks you are talking to are not assuming things about either the situation or those involved in it, and are just taking the facts at face value... you might get a better result.

1984 (and Animal Farm...) were back in high school. I get it now. I find some of the conversations I get engaged in on these boards... dystopian.

Well, now that I've been burned for the first time... let's see how well I do. That fire sure was purdy until I touched it though!

I understand Pandora's temptation. I was warned... but I had to see for myself. You don't learn unless you touch the element.

I started this analogy business. Mea culpa... I send myself to the penalty box, by myself, and feel shame.

At what point did Pinkerton agents threaten police involvement? I don't see any mention of that here. Edit: I think you're referring to this?

Sounds like you didn't want to take my advice! Enjoy your angry echo chamber. If you want to have an actual discussion, change your tone please. I'm happy to start over from square one.

You made me work there! I went and reread that post. You were arguing against me! So I guess you aren't of the opinion that Pinkerton engaged in a militaristic action then? That's the group I lumped you in with in that post. Sorry about that! We good now?

Just so we're clear, I haven't tossed you into any group, or made any sort of judgement about you... because I have never met you. Really. Carry on whilst I munch my popcorn though.

Once you're standing in a dumpster fire, where's the harm in emptying that jerrycan?

I have actually had that happen in real life. Hell of a fishing trip. In any case, I actually enjoyed 4E (lol!). It did suffer from the roboticism that it is often accused of. Of which it is often accused (slave to the grammar checker). Super easy to run. But the flavour was sucked out due to...

I feel like I fell into a shark tank without a life preserver. Or bear repellent. Or whatever. Should be fun regardless.

I'm glad you felt comfortable enough to share that. No judgement from me, even though I only partially share that view. Getty, Rockefeller, etc. I get all that. What does that have to do with this thread though? There may be a connection, but I'm not seeing it. Do you mean because WotC is part...

Actually, maybe not out. Disappointed for sure. But I definitely see from the crow's nest where this Ship of Theseus is drifting....