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DM: The door is locked. Rogue: Ok, I use open- Wizard: I cast knock. DM: With an arcane word and a gentle rap, the door comes open. Rogue: What? You can do that? Wizard: Yep. Rogue: We're like... 4th level. Why did I bother putting ranks in Open Lock? Wizard: Why, in case I ever run out of...

an end to magic item shops...

With poop?

Eew. You realise the basis behind godwin's law, right? I think once you start making those kind of analogies you may want to take a step back.

I LOVE it. I was just looking at some 2e art and realized it has been so long since I wished I could step right into the pictures... Sounds awesome.

I think you are probably right on that account.

That would be nice. Or at least a playtester who could clarify the rules we already have.

All I can say is the fact that the 1st part is a sentence fragment doesn't prove to me that there aren't 10 skills, and that the word "more" does not meet the definition of "others" in my understanding of the two words.

I think, like Henry, that there are certain players who are in love with a particular concept, and they play that as much as they can... I am partial to the gnome illusionist concept, because I like how clever and creative I can be with the illusions. I also like giving depth to the gnome...

My arguement is that the previous set of skills is all of them. Stealth, Thievery, any four skills, plus four more skills from the list.

Which one?

Good point about the builds. I am hoping that they were excluding those four free-floating skills from consideration when they made the build, though. Maybe I'm being bullheaded, though.

It can go the other way too. I think this forum has its share of people who really want 4e to fail, and are always on the lookout for bad things to say about it.

I am thinking because there may be some benefit to having a skill on your list of class skills. Another thread, perhaps.

Seriously, what do you mean? I can see that they are both statements, and that they are both on the same line or paragraph. A sentence is a complete thought. They both belong to the same line because they both belong to the same topic, "skills". It's clear you see something I don't... I...

Probably one of those things I should have known already. Thanks.

That DMG cover with the light show... any idea who made it? I am trying to google it and, while the PHB cover with the canyon is easy to find, the DMG is remarkably hard to. I remember long ago happening upon a website selling a poster which had that DMG artwork. It claimed the poster was 3d...

Well, it would mean all of the skills on their class list.

I think my D&D would look a lot like the Storyteller system, actually, with a lot more attention to balance, but still trying to keep the rules system fast and loose, and a rulebook that dripped with marshmallowy fluffyness. A bit less eyeliner, too.

I brought this up in the two roguezilla threads, but I thought this issue deserved its own thread. In the above article, does it say that the rogue recieves a total of 6 skills (Stealth, Thievery, plus four skills from the class skills list) or does it say they recieve 10? (Stealth, Thievery...