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Apparently, you die. Because you failed.

I would say that’s the definition of a niche, and i find people don’t like being called part of a niche group (unless it’s Brindlewood Bay players and they definitely know they’re niche lol).

There's also plenty of rules variations in the book that allow others to change the game to accommodate other styles of play.

I do wish that some people would just remain in this thread and not threadcrap the other one.

I would argue that if that's truly the implication, the designer would be better served by not having a fighter class. ;)

I have no issue with that. In the end, all I'm saying is sometimes you just want to lob the head off a damn orc. Shadowdark does let you do that. (Dang. my gif isn't giffing. You get the picture ;) )

Gus' article is fantastic, and is an amazing counterpoint to the idea that these maxims are written in stone and clearly define what is or is not an OSR game.

Foul rules are about what is an allowed or disallowed thing to do in the game. That is not the same thing. So in order to play Shadowdark do I need a primer on what most modern OSR games do? Has someone contacted Kelsey Dionne to say she should really include a citation of the 7 maxims on OSR...

No, I'm saying that I get that the rules don't cover all situations of the game to allow creativity, but the game rules do cover combat and the specific abilities you have when in combat. I can't just make up a spell on the fly that I don't have - the spells I have are part of the rules. I'm...

Which I'm fine with as a free-form exercise, but the game is also about combat. That's what the rules define.

But the point buy approach was so wildly different from anything that had really come before that I can't equate it to anything previous in 2e. It was like they attempted a wholly new edition without calling it a new edition. I'll say this - I played it in a campaign for about a year and a half...

Oh...oh that was just delightful.

I think the categories are highly, highly blurry.

2e Skills and Powers IMO was a really different, fun early attempt at creating flexible characters and I think they needed to fail at S&P before coming up with the 3rd edition approach. But again, it did come very late in the 2e lifecycle as well. I would say it was the opening salvo of the...

But the viability of virtually all of those choices come down to whether you rolled up an exceptionally amazing character at first level. Only with that incredibly statted out first level character could you entertain the idea of going down that path of dual classing your way to a bard. There...

Combat is a fail state is like saying this game that I wrote rules for is 80% dedicated to the implementation of that fail state. What the rules do not cover is typically the remaining 20% which is left entirely up to the discretion of the GM and the players to define whether or not their course...

I disagree that OSR play is or should be organized in that way as a central tenet across the board. DCC certainly allows for more of it. Even older D&D and straight clones like OSRIC allows for more of it.

I love all these unwritten rules that people are supposed to magically absorb.

This looks like it’ll be a lot of fun!